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cnnsi article on Worthy's role on the Packers

  • GB plans to use Worthy as a DE? I really don't think so.

    Boom or Bust: Does Jerel Worthy Fit the Packers’ D? – Audibles

    Audibles - Chris Burke on the NFL

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  • He has the agility to be a rush end in the 3-4... It'll take some time to learn but with some coaching and hard work I think he could be productive in that scheme.

    KC_SPARTAN

  • Ha! They gave him credit for ARW's blocked fieldgoal.

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  • Bruce Banner Ad said...

    GB plans to use Worthy as a DE? I really don't think so.

    3-4 DE is not like a 4-3 DE. Most 3-4 DEs were 3-tech DTs in college in a 4-3 scheme. Worthy was a 3-tech in a 4-3 scheme. There's going to be some learning curve involved here, no doubt about it.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 5/2/2012 at 10:02 AM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    3-4 DE is not like a 4-3 DE. Most 3-4 DEs were 3-tech DTs in college in a 4-3 scheme. Worthy was a 3-tech in a 4-3 scheme. There's going to be some learning curve involved here, no doubt about it.

    Is he going to have to reshape his body as well?

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    3-4 DE is not like a 4-3 DE. Most 3-4 DEs were 3-tech DTs in college in a 4-3 scheme. Worthy was a 3-tech in a 4-3 scheme. There's going to be some learning curve involved here, no doubt about it.

    Can you explain the differences between these 'techs?'

    PPTPW51983

  • SpartanRocky said...

    3-4 DE is not like a 4-3 DE. Most 3-4 DEs were 3-tech DTs in college in a 4-3 scheme. Worthy was a 3-tech in a 4-3 scheme. There's going to be some learning curve involved here, no doubt about it.

    My feelings are that the farther Jerel is from the ball, the less effective he'll be. Granted, we're talking a 3-man front rather than 4, but it still sounds like it will reduce his "get-off" speed, which is one of the major benefits he brings to the table.

    Having said that, I trust Dom Capers' analysis of his fitness for the scheme more than my own. And, with Anthony Hargroves being suspended half the regular season, Jerel will get the opportunity to get on the field a lot more.

    Packers' Hargrove suspended eight games - JSOnline

    New Green Bay Packers defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove is one of four players suspended for participation in the New Orleans Saints' bounty program. Hargrove has been suspended eight games.

    www.jsonline.com

    SpartanInNH

  • -PPTPW- said...

    Can you explain the differences between these 'techs?'

    The article itself has a pretty good explanation of the 3-technique, as well as how GB twists it:

    [I]n football terminology, Worthy’s ideal NFL fit going into the draft looked to be as “3-technique” lineman, which means he lines up over the outside shoulder of an offensive guard.

    The 3-technique is what Warren Sapp so excelled at during his days in Tampa Bay, because it basically puts the defensive tackle in charge of one specific spot, the “B” gap between the guard and tackle, which allows him to go full-bore into that area. In the picture above the Packers’ two tackles are closer in on the center than that, but it’s a place Worthy may feel more comfortable.

    SpartanInNH

  • SpartanRocky said...

    3-4 DE is not like a 4-3 DE. Most 3-4 DEs were 3-tech DTs in college in a 4-3 scheme. Worthy was a 3-tech in a 4-3 scheme. There's going to be some learning curve involved here, no doubt about it.

    Worthy's specialty, as we know, is causing disruption in the middle of the line with his penetration. If the packers move him outside, regardless of their scheme, they're idiots.

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  • -PPTPW- said...

    Can you explain the differences between these 'techs?'

    Sure. The # in front of the "tech" tells you where the player lines up. Your normal OL formation looks like this:

    LT LG C RG RT

    A "0-tech" lines up directly over the C. That's your traditional "Nose Guard" position. The 1-tech is a guy who lines up on the shoulder of the C. This is also referred to as a Nose Guard, or Nose Tackle. A guy who lines up on the "inside" shoulder of either guard is called a "2-tech". Lining up on the outside shoulder of the OG is a 3-tech (Worthy's college position). You can follow from there; the 4-tech is on the inside shoulder of the OTs, and the 5-tech on their outside shoulders. Your typical 4-3 D has your DE's lined up in the 5-tech, and your 2 DTs lined up anywhere from the 0 (rare, usually the 1) and the 4 (again, rare, usually the 3).

    The "Gaps" are lettered A, B, C, etc. The A gaps are the 2 spaces between the C and the OGs. The B-gaps are between the OGs and the OTs. the C gaps are between the OTs and TE, if there's a TE on the play (if not, the space to the outside shoulder of the OT is still a C gap)

    Here's another illustration, with the gaps in brackets , and the different techs shown (0 is right above the C. EDIT: 247 moved the 0 all the way to the left . . . let me see if I can get it in the right spot using periods):

    .............................................................0
    [C Gap] 5 LT 4 [ B-Gap] 3 LG 2 [A-Gap] 1 C 1 [A-Gap] 2 RG 3 [B-Gap] 4 RT 5 [C-Gap] TE

    The numbering for the shoulders of the TE gets funky, so I left that out for now.

    Here's a better picture for you, in case the one above is confusing (Football 101 is a pretty good site to start out on):

    http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by SpartanRocky on 5/2/2012 at 12:09 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Bruce Banner Ad said...

    Worthy's specialty, as we know, is causing disruption in the middle of the line with his penetration. If the packers move him outside, regardless of their scheme, they're idiots.

    I'll trust that they know what they're doing better than any of us. I've been reading elsewhere that he will play the outside with Raji in the middle...so I'm thinking they have a plan.

    Chitown_Badger

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    I'll trust that they know what they're doing better than any of us. I've been reading elsewhere that he will play the outside with Raji in the middle...so I'm thinking they have a plan.

    Funny thing being, they're apparently putting him where Nick Perry would "rather be."

    I confess I'm a little puzzled at the thought of the 271-lb. Perry as an OLB, but again, I'm no Dom Capers.

    Oughta be an interesting fall in Green Bay.

    Thompson makes bold move drafting Perry - JSOnline

    Green Bay - Ted Thompson realizes there is risk involved. And to be sure, there's a lot of it.

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    SpartanInNH

  • SpartanInNH said...

    Funny thing being, they're apparently putting him where Nick Perry would "rather be."

    I confess I'm a little puzzled at the thought of the 271-lb. Perry as an OLB, but again, I'm no Dom Capers.

    Oughta be an interesting fall in Green Bay.

    Seriously. All I know is, this shit better work. I give Thompson a ton of credit for what he's done for the team, but this D needs to get better in a hurry. Cost us an amazing opportunity last year.

    Chitown_Badger

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Here's a better picture for you, in case the one above is confusing (Football 101 is a pretty good site to start out on):

    http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html

    from that site:
    "Middle linebackers make poor neighbors, as they are known to enjoy torturing small animals like your pets."
    lol

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  • Ryan Pickett and Cullen Jenkins were the starters in the super bowl team at the DE positions. Is Worthy's skill set all that much different from theirs. The packers play a ton of nickle where they slide the DE's inside also.

    Doc Rodgers

  • Bruce Banner Ad said...

    Worthy's specialty, as we know, is causing disruption in the middle of the line with his penetration. If the packers move him outside, regardless of their scheme, they're idiots.

    Well, define "outside" because 3-4 DEs don't play outside by my definition.

    Achtung Baby

  • I can't wait for the next all state commercial with Worthy and Raji

    Ron_in_ATL

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Sure. The # in front of the "tech" tells you where the player lines up. Your normal OL formation looks like this:

    LT LG C RG RT

    A "0-tech" lines up directly over the C. That's your traditional "Nose Guard" position. The 1-tech is a guy who lines up on the shoulder of the C. This is also referred to as a Nose Guard, or Nose Tackle. A guy who lines up on the "inside" shoulder of either guard is called a "2-tech". Lining up on the outside shoulder of the OG is a 3-tech (Worthy's college position). You can follow from there; the 4-tech is on the inside shoulder of the OTs, and the 5-tech on their outside shoulders. Your typical 4-3 D has your DE's lined up in the 5-tech, and your 2 DTs lined up anywhere from the 0 (rare, usually the 1) and the 4 (again, rare, usually the 3).

    The "Gaps" are lettered A, B, C, etc. The A gaps are the 2 spaces between the C and the OGs. The B-gaps are between the OGs and the OTs. the C gaps are between the OTs and TE, if there's a TE on the play (if not, the space to the outside shoulder of the OT is still a C gap)

    Here's another illustration, with the gaps in brackets , and the different techs shown (0 is right above the C. EDIT: 247 moved the 0 all the way to the left . . . let me see if I can get it in the right spot using periods):

    .............................................................0 [C Gap] 5 LT 4 [ B-Gap] 3 LG 2 [A-Gap] 1 C 1 [A-Gap] 2 RG 3 [B-Gap] 4 RT 5 [C-Gap] TE

    The numbering for the shoulders of the TE gets funky, so I left that out for now.

    Here's a better picture for you, in case the one above is confusing (Football 101 is a pretty good site to start out on):

    http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html

    Really nice, easy-to-understand description. Thank you.

    voodoochile

  • Achtung Baby said...

    Well, define "outside" because 3-4 DEs don't play outside by my definition.

    Playing him on the edge of the line. Whether you have OLB support on the edge or not, I really don't think it's playing to Worthy's strengths.

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  • Bruce Banner Ad said...

    Playing him on the edge of the line. Whether you have OLB support on the edge or not, I really don't think it's playing to Worthy's strengths.

    But if he's not going to be a plug the middle guy (which is Raji's role), and he won't get a ton of sacks, where do you think his strengths are best utilized?

    Chitown_Badger