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iPad 3, a Kindle Fire killer?

  • Cucumber Breath said...

    Who gives a shit if I pad beat sales expectations? The reason they moved more product than last year can be attributed to the doubling of the market space for tablets. Speaking directly to the market as a whole, you can also look at the attached graph and see that apples market percentage wen from 87.4% in 2010 to 66.0% in 2011 and is forecasted to be at 62.1% for 2012. The reason that they are loosing market share? Competitors in the market! Like the Kindle file, which sold 4 million 2011 Q4 units! If Amazon didn't have the Kindle Fire in the market space, I guarantee you apple would still be at above 66%. If you think that the Kindle Fire doesn't compete with the iPad for sales, go ahead an believe that.

    Jesus, yeah they're losing market share but thats also because everybody and their mother's uncle is making tablets... in 2010 they were the only show in town, 2011 there were over 100 new products on the market... and they're still selling 2 out of every 3 sold...

    Kindle Fire occupies a completely different space... one known as "future iPad buyers"

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    Dr Leo Spaceman

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Your links were to analysts discussing sales estimates for the iPad, sales estimates which were later proven to be incorrect.

    Awesome catch, bro. You didn't address my other statement about market share.

    Cucumber Breath

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Jesus, yeah they're losing market share but thats also because everybody and their mother's uncle is making tablets... in 2010 they were the only show in town, 2011 there were over 100 new products on the market... and they're still selling 2 out of every 3 sold...

    Kindle Fire occupies a completely different space... one known as "future iPad buyers"

    Shhhhhh making sense and critical thinking means you're a fan boy.

    JMCSpartan08

  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    Follows suit with an analyst report I read back in december that suggested the Kindle Fire would be beneficial to Apple as a "gateway tablet"

    Basically saying, the Kindle was intriguing because of its price but ultimately too small and glitchy to really have any sustained momentum, and people who bought the Fire would ultimately understand the value of paying for the "real deal" iPad.

    And lets be honest... there is only the iPad, everything else blows.

    That last sentence is very true. I have an iPad 2, but also have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus Android Phone, so I'd say I'm not an Apple Fan Boy. I checked out a Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet at Best Buy the other night and wanted to shoot myself in the two minutes I was using them. They are terrible. I will say it's like comparing a Chevrolet to a Cadillac, the Chevrolet works, but if you are accustom to driving a Cadillac, you'll hate the Chevy.

    I hear the Asus Transformer Prime is a worthy Anddroid Tablet, but it's going to set you back $500 for the base model, which is 32 GB vs. the $500 16 GB iPad 2.

    Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime Review - Watch CNET's Video Review

    The Asus Transformer Prime is the best full-featured Android tablet yet, with a sexy design, thoughtful features, and an impressive camera.

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    ChadMSU07

  • We have both and love them. The iPad 2 was a present for my wife and she thinks it's great. I have the Fire and read a lot in bed. Both of us have Droid Bionic phones, both our kids at college have iPhones. We all have Windows 7 laptops and desktops for real work.

    My take? The iPad is great but overpriced for a device that is not expandable and has no USB ports. All of her girlfriends have them and it's a status symbol. Facetime is better than Skype for calls with the kids as long as both ends have wifi connections.

    The Kindle Fire is great for reading - lightweight, long battery life. The "accelerated" web browser sucks - when I try to go to freep.com the page always freezes after a few seconds. (BTW, freep also screws up on Safari on the iPad, but Atomic browser handles it well).

    Ease of use is no different on the iPad, iPhone, Droid or Fire. Every app launches with one or two taps.

    Next time I open my wallet will be for a android tablet. World of vendor choices, lots of apps, expandable, replaceable battery, USB.

    Give a man a beer, waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, waste a lifetime.

    Du Stropper

  • I've been avoiding putting Android on my HP Touchpad until ICS came out, and was stable. I think now is the time. Also, the new open source version of webOS comes out in September. Should be a sweet device with both the newest Android and Open webOS versions! Anything but Apple!!!

    Dr AquaFresh

  • Once Google really owns Motorola I think they go to a closed system like Apple and sell another form of Android OS to other vendors.

    Apple got so profitable because Jobs decided to makes $100's on a computer. then iPhone, then iPad rather than make $25-$50 on an operating system.

    Google has Chrome that they are giving away but seeing tablets taking the place of laptops means a Motorola tablet with an dedicated, closed OS will make Google a lot more profit per unit than their current Android deals.

    GRR Spartan

  • Who the hell needs a tablet anyway?

    Posted from my iPhone

    Lol

    OTPT

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Apple, taking other people's products which no one is purchasing and making them appealing enough to actually purchase.

    As far as the iPad 3, I don't know any other tablets that support a 2048x1536 display.

    The right question is...why does a tablet even need to be 2048X1536? You aren't playing any real games on a tablet. It's a glorified cell phone. There is no need for top end resolution on a tablet. No movies are in that resolution and you aren't playing any "real" games on a tablet.

    jimmywalker

  • jimmywalker said...

    The right question is...why does a tablet even need to be 2048X1536? You aren't playing any real games on a tablet. It's a glorified cell phone. There is no need for top end resolution on a tablet. No movies are in that resolution and you aren't playing any "real" games on a tablet.

    This is why apple is so great. They say, why not? Lol

    OTPT

  • OTPT said...

    This is why apple is so great. They say, why not? Lol

    Yes and they convince the idiots of America and Japan that it's needed. When you start playing Diablo III on an Ipad I might start worrying about it's resolution.

    jimmywalker

  • Dr. AquaFresh said...

    I've been avoiding putting Android on my HP Touchpad until ICS came out, and was stable. I think now is the time. Also, the new open source version of webOS comes out in September. Should be a sweet device with both the newest Android and Open webOS versions! Anything but Apple!!!

    Think Different

    PortlandSpartan ●

  • jimmywalker said...

    The right question is...why does a tablet even need to be 2048X1536? You aren't playing any real games on a tablet. It's a glorified cell phone. There is no need for top end resolution on a tablet. No movies are in that resolution and you aren't playing any "real" games on a tablet.

    You're missing the obvious answer: text. The difference between the text on my iPhone 4S compared to my iPad 2 is night and day. Your eye can't even see individual pixels on the iPhone 4S's retina display. It will be the same on the iPad 3.

    The more pixels per inch, the higher the resolution. The higher the resolution, the sharper the text is. The sharper the text is, the less stress it is on your eyes.

    Just look at the comparison photo below of the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4S. The iPad 2 currently has a resolution on par with the iPhone 3GS, which is due to the fact that until now, no one has been producing tablet sized screens with resolution that high.

    Computer monitors are headed in this direction as well.

    If you can't tell the difference between the text in this photo, you should probably have your eyes checked...

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Trevor Barnes on 2/24/2012 at 9:14 AM

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  • I laugh every day at the number of Apple haters and how many hoops they jump through to attempt to 'prove' how terrible Apple products are.

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    Bender

  • I remember when I didn't buy Apple products. Then my dad got a job.

    JMCSpartan08

  • jimmywalker said...

    The right question is...why does a tablet even need to be 2048X1536? You aren't playing any real games on a tablet. It's a glorified cell phone. There is no need for top end resolution on a tablet. No movies are in that resolution and you aren't playing any "real" games on a tablet.

    The retina screen will have major implications for the publishing industry. This will essentially be the highest resolution screen ever made for consumers. Over 300dpi means that for the most part it will look like "moving print." Books/Text/Websites/Photos/Videos will look ridiculously good.

    My company develops a lot of iOS and Android apps, and the new iPad display's impact will be huge: You will need a 30" computer display to even see/design an iPad 3 (or 2S?) app at 100%. It really is a shitload of pixels. You'd have to think they're going to release the "HiDPI" MacBooks and displays sometime soon, if not mostly for development purposes.

    And it'll be an amazing engineering feat if they can drive that size of resolution with improved performance and a similar battery life for $500. Let's not forget that iPad also supports an external 720p display.

    It would take a monster GPU on a laptop to drive a similar resolution, and I guarantee you'd never get ~10 hours of battery life on a laptop. But the good news is, you'd get that "precious" flash plugin...?

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by mudwhistle on 2/24/2012 at 9:38 AM

    mudwhistle

  • mudwhistle said...

    The retina screen will have major implications for the publishing industry. This will essentially be the highest resolution screen ever made for consumers. Over 300dpi means that for the most part it will look like "moving print." Books/Text/Websites/Photos/Videos will look ridiculously good.

    My company develops a lot of iOS and Android apps, and the new iPad display's impact will be huge: You will need a 30" computer display to even see/design an iPad 3 (or 4S?) app at 100%. It really is a shitload of pixels. You'd have to think they're going to release the "HiDPI" MacBooks and displays sometime soon.

    And it'll be an amazing engineering feat if they can drive that size of resolution with improved performance and a similar battery life for $500. Let's not forget that iPad also supports an external 720p display.

    It would take a monster GPU on a laptop to drive a similar resolution, and I guarantee you'd never get ~10 hours of battery life on a laptop.

    Yep, I think monitors and laptops are next.

    Trevor Barnes

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Yep, I think monitors and laptops are next.

    They'd have to be. Even Windows told devs that HiDPI is coming. Apple makes one 27" Thunderbolt Display as of now, and you won't be able to see 2048x1536 on it.

    It'll be weird designing and developing things in terms of "Points" versus "Pixels."

    mudwhistle

  • jimmywalker said...

    The right question is...why does a tablet even need to be 2048X1536? You aren't playing any real games on a tablet. It's a glorified cell phone. There is no need for top end resolution on a tablet. No movies are in that resolution and you aren't playing any "real" games on a tablet.

    To answer your question, though, I don't think anyone really "needs" any of this shit. It's an electronic. That's the point.

    mudwhistle

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    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

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    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy ●

  • GreenAllDay said...

    Hp toucpad witj CM9 wins

    drool

    I love ICS on my TouchPad, it absolutely destroys iOS in terms of usability. Google knocked it out of the park with ICS, and it's only going to get better.

    hexydes

  • Dr. AquaFresh said...

    I've been avoiding putting Android on my HP Touchpad until ICS came out, and was stable. I think now is the time. Also, the new open source version of webOS comes out in September. Should be a sweet device with both the newest Android and Open webOS versions! Anything but Apple!!!

    Put it on now, it's amazing. The only thing that doesn't work is the camera/mic, which on a tablet...who cares?

    hexydes

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