MSU Red Cedar Message Board

Hey, no one believes Casey Anthony but people would tune in if she gave a network interview. People love to listen to the crazies.

I personally think he'll kill himself or a prison inmate will beat him to it. I'd be surprised if he makes it a year.

Did anyone ever ask Paterno or McQueary directly why they did not contact the police over child rape and/or never follow up? That still baffles me.

Dude, take the halo off the man. For anyone to still believe JoPa knew nothing and was a saint of a man, they're either really stupid, blindly ignorant or have been in a coma for a few years.

Wow.

I used to think that JoePa was a pretty normal guy, much like my pop. Similar age, similar look and demeanor. But my pop would have beat the living fuck out of sandusky, and what was left of him he would have bagged and dropped off at the police station with a note explaining the situation.

Im very disappointed in what I have heard from top to bottom at Penn State. Paternos football coaching ability remains highly regarded. But as a man, his legacy went down the terlit. Screw Penn State. I hope the football program rots in hell with its coaches.

I'm all for waiting for things to play out a lot of times but we know that PSU officials had pretty much catered to Joe Pa's wishes for a very long time, and whatever he said to Curley made Curley change his mind. This is a personal e-mail so it's doubtful he is lying about it. We don't truly need facts to form our own opinions on a message board, we aren't a jury. But I think that right there is a pretty good indicator something was up. Chances are as far a this particular story goes we aren't going to ever truly know what Joe Pa knew because he is no longer with us, but I know that at first I didn't want to believe Joe Pa was complicit in all of this, but almost everything I have come across since have lead me to change my mind. I certainly wasn't quick to condemn him but there's just too much that doesn't add up to ignore.

That's what JoePa's family says.

Although perhaps they themselves hold the smoking gun, and are hiding it:

Paterno's appointment book could serve as a confirmation that he met with Curley on or around the date Curley says they met, Feb. 27, 2001. Or it could exonerate him, showing Paterno was off on vacation or unavailable for even a phone conversation. While it often lacked great detail, for a Penn State community desperate for any facts or explanations, the appointment book could offer a morsel of truth.

Unfortunately it doesn't; at least not yet.

The library's collection of Paterno appointment books run from 1985 to 2000, the last entry being Dec. 30, 2000. There is nothing from 2001 until Paterno's firing in November 2011.

Seven weeks after the last item in the appointment book, Curley's email stated that he and the iconic coach talked about how to handle Sandusky. There is no publicly available documentation that the meeting did or didn't occur, let alone the subjects discussed.

The paperwork of Paterno's whereabouts ending so close to these critical days appears to be coincidental.

There was an initial donation by the Paternos to the library in 2001, according to school officials. That explains the cutoff in 2000, as the 2001 book would still have been in use. The family did not donate additional documents that included appointment books or schedule confirmations, regrets or cancellations.

"The Paterno papers inventory represent the Paterno materials currently housed by the Library," Jackie R. Esposito, university archivist and head of the school's Records Management Programs. "The family has not donated any subsequent personal papers."

It's possible the Paterno family has that information. The anticipated Freeh Commission report on the Sandusky case may provide additional context or information into Paterno's role.

That is a broad generality, but acknowledging it as such, I agree with your statements. Pedophiles generally see what they are doing as teaching love in a loving fashion, and feel that if people just "understood" what they were doing, people would see their actions for what they "are" -- "loving."

Joe Pa didn't rape little boys. Case closed.

The media is corrupt. When will you guys realize the truth will never get out? They base all of this on emails and log books. You think (88 year old) Joe Pa would ever use email?

McQuery was asked. He said he went to VP Gary Schultz who was the head of Campus Police who has jurisdiction over the place he saw the crime. McQuery regretted the decision, but at the time he thought by going to him he was going to the Police.

Just because the family says he didn't use email, doesn't mean he didn't, and if he did, there WILL be evidence of it.

Consider also: if the others knew JoePa didn't communicate by email, all of their contact with him would have been over the phone. They still could have emailed each other (which is apparent) and JoePa could have been solidly in the mix anyway.

(And those opening statements by you prove you are an idiot).

I think the Paterno discussion is obscuring / side-tracking people at this point.

Whether Paterno was involved or not, it's certain there was a cover up. It's equally certain that high-ranking university and athletic department officials were involved in the cover up. The primary motive is to protect the university image, and a benefit of that is also protecting a revenue stream, and a factor that attracts students etc. This absolutely should fall under NCAA jurisdiction or DoE jurisdiction as people have suggested. And there has to be a punishment to correct the ill-gotten gain. That punishment should be the harshest ever handed down by the NCAA or DoE or whoever it ends up being. 2 years of no football seems like a minimum.

In terms of the fans and current students suffering -- too bad. We as sports fans are quick to bask in the glory of present and past championships -- but we had no hand in achieving them. It should be understood that future ignominy is shared as well. That's the cost that gets paid for putting a program or university image on a pedestal so high that you protect a pedophile.

Think about it this way -- movies about the Holocaust get made at regular intervals for the last 60+ years. Germans today didn't have a hand in that holocaust, but they still pay some sort of price in terms of having to relive their country's actions again and again. Of course, there's no way you can compare the holocaust to what happened at Penn State, but that's why there won't be moves made every year for the next century, and war-crimes trials etc. over Sandusky's actions. A 2-year football ban is a proportional response, IMO.