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"the audacity of that call at this time"

  • Log Jammin said...

    Was there too. On the goal line where Iowa scored the last TD. One of the worst experiences I've ever had SS. Still remember the feeling.

    I was watching on tv with several friends who don't give much of a shit. On those last few plays, my roommate's fucking girlfriend would be an obnoxious bitch and after every play when Iowa was on the 10 or so she would go "DID WE WINN YEEET!?" No, we didn't fucking win yet. Does the clock say zero? No? Is it only 3rd fucking down? Yes? I was pretty emotional at that timelol Then it all happened and I proceeded to have a real bad night.

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  • Tanfan said...

    Lol. Great pot stirring thread. That was a legitimate question to ask at the time. Ozy nailed it with the reference to poor safety play and a lack of a decent edge rusher. Kudos to him.

    and kudos to our staff for fixing both of those problems.

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  • Blake Miller said...

    How bout Hoyer's fake fumble before launching a TD to kellen davis vs ND in 2007

    I was in the stadium for that, with the marching band, but we couldn't see shit. Notre Dame needs to invest in a video board.

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  • Tanfan said...

    What's to admit? I asked a question about "if" the d struggled again. Any posters weighed in on the question. Only the blowers got offended. As usual.

    Bullshit. You wanted him gone, period.

    duffy munn

  • Do I not understand the definition of "audacity?" Google says it's "willingness to take bold risks".

    I'd hardly say that hook and lateral play vs Iowa was a "bold risk." Seems to me like third/fourth and long is always the best time to run the hook and lateral. The defense is playing back and allowing underneath routes so you know you'll probably have time and space for such a long developing play. Where is the risk? I guess the defense could jump the route and force the WR into a bad pitch but like i said, that's why you run it on 3rd and long when the d gives you the underneath routes.

    Just because a play isn't used frequently doesn't make it "audacious". I'd say Coach D called a pretty low-risk, high reward play at just the right time.

    Now Little Giants, there's a play that took some audacity to call.

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  • Tanfan said...

    Lol. Great pot stirring thread. That was a legitimate question to ask at the time. Ozy nailed it with the reference to poor safety play and a lack of a decent edge rusher. Kudos to him.

    "Great pot-stirring thread" - also known as "hey look...Tanfan is being an ignorant fool and trolling AGAIN! And AGAIN was proven to be totally and completely wrong in every facet of his idiotic arguments!" lol

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  • Ol' Drippy said...

    Do I not understand the definition of "audacity?" Google says it's "willingness to take bold risks".

    I'd hardly say that hook and lateral play vs Iowa was a "bold risk." Seems to me like third/fourth and long is always the best time to run the hook and lateral. The defense is playing back and allowing underneath routes so you know you'll probably have time and space for such a long developing play. Where is the risk? I guess the defense could jump the route and force the WR into a bad pitch but like i said, that's why you run it on 3rd and long when the d gives you the underneath routes.

    Just because a play isn't used frequently doesn't make it "audacious". I'd say Coach D called a pretty low-risk, high reward play at just the right time.

    Now Little Giants, there's a play that took some audacity to call.

    You could say the same thing about Little Giants. It might have been a bolder risk to have a freshman kicker attempt a long field goal. In both cases, and in many of the examples of Dantonio's balls that have been cited on this board, Dantonio made calls that were smart - proving that his giant balls have bigger brains than most coaches' heads.

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  • boozhoo said...

    "Great pot-stirring thread" - also known as "hey look...Tanfan is being an ignorant fool and trolling AGAIN! And AGAIN was proven to be totally and completely wrong in every facet of his idiotic arguments!" lol

    Tanner was right at the time, Irish.

    duffy munn

  • Tanfan said...

    Not wrong at the time. The d sucked back then. All about context. Playing the I was right all along game two years later will never fly. Keep dreaming. That was a great thread. Got a lot of people talking.

    that couldn't possibly have been a personnel issue, right? of course you fire the coaches!

    Difference between 2009 and 2011? Better speed and talent across the board at every single position. All of which is being utilized brilliantly by Narduzzi. He didn't become a different coach, he was provided actual talent. you were, as always, wrong.

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  • Pervis Muldoon said...

    You could say the same thing about Little Giants. It might have been a bolder risk to have a freshman kicker attempt a long field goal. In both cases, and in many of the examples of Dantonio's balls that have been cited on this board, Dantonio made calls that were smart - proving that his giant balls have bigger brains than most coaches' heads.

    Very very true. Mouse-trap seemed pretty friggin' crazy at the time (especially since we intentionally took a delay-of-game beforehand), but after the game the coaches admitted that they had found a flaw in NW's punt coverage, which they exploited. Couple those examples with a BUNCH of fourth down calls the staff has made, and what you find is a coaching staff that make calls that others (couch Tressel cough) might shy away from, but are grounded in solid statistics nonetheless.

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  • ashamanAJSV said...

    Holy shit, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Tanfan. With the weekly meltdowns that were going down in 2009, a triple-digit-ranked pass defense, and a consistent inability to defend a certain passing route (you know which one I'm referring to), it really wasn't an overreaction on our part to wonder if Narduzzi was the man for the job. Anyone calling for him to be fired outright at the time was obviously wrong, but any variant of "Give the man a year or two, but if this doesn't improve we have to go a different way" was absolutely justified.

    And really, aren't we all saying the same thing about Roushar right now? On the one hand, his gameplan against Nebraska and his opening playcall against Georgia were two of just the absolute WORST football decisions I've ever witnessed. On the other, very much like Nardogg in 2009, injuries and a lack of continuity on the lines almost certainly hindered what he really wanted to as a coordinator. It's perfectly reasonable for us as fans to wonder if this man's the guy after one poor season, and future success on his part won't make us wrong now.

    You have to realize the fanboy mentality on this board. They are like the pc vs apple people. There is only one position you can take and that is pure sunshine and excuse making. If you question anything they lable you a troll and attack in packs with vicious name calling. I love it.

    Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.

    Tanfan

  • boozhoo said...

    that couldn't possibly have been a personnel issue, right? of course you fire the coaches!

    Difference between 2009 and 2011? Better speed and talent across the board at every single position. All of which is being utilized brilliantly by Narduzzi. He didn't become a different coach, he was provided actual talent. you were, as always, wrong.

    You adopt your game plan with the personnel you have. If your scheme and personnel for that scheme can't cover a wheel route, you change it. If the d coordinator stubbornly insists on a game plan that his players can't perform then you make a change in the game plan. Why am I responding to this douche bag fanboy? Fuck off.

    What's going to happen when all those prehoke/ mayer recruits graduate?

    This post was edited by Tanfan on 7/29/2012 at 6:40 PM

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  • Stats are for losers. That endeared nardawg to the masses during that rough period. Fanboys ignor all that.

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    Tanfan

  • Tanfan said...

    You adopt your game plan with the personnel you have. If your scheme and personnel for that scheme can't cover a wheel route, you change it. If the d coordinator stubbornly insists on a game plan that his players can't perform then you make a change in the game plan. Why am I responding to this douche bag fanboy? Fuck off.

    What's going to happen when all those prehoke/ mayer recruits graduate?

    Please. Pat Narduzzi is among the best d-coordinators in college football. Why is it so difficult for you to admit you were/are wrong? Are you sticking with Izzo's worst team ever from December of 2008?

    duffy munn

  • ashamanAJSV said...

    Very very true. Mouse-trap seemed pretty friggin' crazy at the time (especially since we intentionally took a delay-of-game beforehand), but after the game the coaches admitted that they had found a flaw in NW's punt coverage, which they exploited. Couple those examples with a BUNCH of fourth down calls the staff has made, and what you find is a coaching staff that make calls that others (couch Tressel cough) might shy away from, but are grounded in solid statistics nonetheless.

    The thing that bothers me about coaches is that the best call at the time isn't anywhere near as common as making the call that's least likely to get a coach criticized. I loved the fake extra point in the Big Ten Championship Game. The payoff was just one point, but it was the right call at the right time. Dantonio and his staff have consistently shown that they are there not to protect their jobs, but to win games - it's too bad for sports that such a mindset is a rare quality among coaches.

    Pervis Muldoon

  • Ol' Drippy said...

    Do I not understand the definition of "audacity?" Google says it's "willingness to take bold risks".

    I'd hardly say that hook and lateral play vs Iowa was a "bold risk." Seems to me like third/fourth and long is always the best time to run the hook and lateral. The defense is playing back and allowing underneath routes so you know you'll probably have time and space for such a long developing play. Where is the risk? I guess the defense could jump the route and force the WR into a bad pitch but like i said, that's why you run it on 3rd and long when the d gives you the underneath routes.

    Just because a play isn't used frequently doesn't make it "audacious". I'd say Coach D called a pretty low-risk, high reward play at just the right time.

    Now Little Giants, there's a play that took some audacity to call.

    This was meant for drippy earlier didn't copy it

    Serious? You need 18 yards you have two plays to do it. Five receivers Instead you bank on ONE MAN getting open. One man our tight end. That's it. He's covered in a hook zone you're looking at 4th and 18. You then take the other three out and hope for a good exchange. Your lateral man is running any man under coverage into the hook man also. Big balls not to go for ten yards twice with five receivers. Audacious.

    This post was edited by DWags on 7/29/2012 at 7:10 PM

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  • Great call.

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  • Tanfan said...

    Lol. Great pot stirring thread. That was a legitimate question to ask at the time. Ozy nailed it with the reference to poor safety play and a lack of a decent edge rusher. Kudos to him.

    Tanner, nobody ever wants to take away your right to bitch about things, it's just that sometimes you can see something coming together and you know that the schemes are there and in place, it's just going to take time to get the personal in or to teach the kids or for them to get the experience they need. By last years bowl game our defense was not only schematically sound, for the most part they played with speed, knowing what they needed to do. It's just frustrating to read the bitching as you can see stuff developing. I know, I just shouldn't read it. You have to admit there were many people who would have fired nardawg and it would have been he'll playing against him.

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  • D.Wags said...

    This was meant for drippy earlier didn't copy it

    Serious? You need 18 yards you have two plays to do it. Five receivers Instead you bank on ONE MAN getting open. One man our tight end. That's it. He's covered in a hook zone you're looking at 4th and 18. You then take the other three out and hope for a good exchange. Your lateral man is running any man under coverage into the hook man also. Big balls not to go for ten yards twice with five receivers. Audacious.

    Ya but you have to bank on the defense ALLOWING that underneath man to get over. It's 3rd and 18, the defense doesn't care if you complete an 8 yard pass. That leaves you with a still very difficult 4th and 10. The smart move is to cover the deep routes tight and play soft on the underneath stuff. So our tight end gets open as expected for a farily easy completion. Even if the lateral man is covered the TE can just take the tackle and he still got 8 yards or so. And I'm sure there's secondary routes to look to in the slim chance that Iowa's D is blanketing the underneath route from the TE.

    I'm just saying I don't think that play is overly risky, just smart.

    Now Little Giants, otoh, is putting all your eggs into one basket. 4th and long and you have a holder passing and you have to pray that the D bites on the fake or that the edge man doesn't say F it and lights into Bates instead of pulling up to cover Conroy. And if the play fails you lose the game.

    Ol Drippy21167

  • D.Wags said...

    Tanner, nobody ever wants to take away your right to bitch about things, it's just that sometimes you can see something coming together and you know that the schemes are there and in place, it's just going to take time to get the personal in or to teach the kids or for them to get the experience they need. By last years bowl game our defense was not only schematically sound, for the most part they played with speed, knowing what they needed to do. It's just frustrating to read the bitching as you can see stuff developing. I know, I just shouldn't read it. You have to admit there were many people who would have fired nardawg and it would have been he'll playing against him.

    Well said, Dwags. Bashing the 2009 version of MSU's defense is pointless. Narduzi knew what he was doing then just as he does now. Tanner gets fixated on the wheel route or cover two and most times can't see the forest throught the trees.

    duffy munn

  • Ol' Drippy said...

    Ya but you have to bank on the defense ALLOWING that underneath man to get over. It's 3rd and 18, the defense doesn't care if you complete an 8 yard pass. That leaves you with a still very difficult 4th and 10. The smart move is to cover the deep routes tight and play soft on the underneath stuff. So our tight end gets open as expected for a farily easy completion. Even if the lateral man is covered the TE can just take the tackle and he still got 8 yards or so. And I'm sure there's secondary routes to look to in the slim chance that Iowa's D is blanketing the underneath route from the TE.

    I'm just saying I don't think that play is overly risky, just smart.

    Now Little Giants, otoh, is putting all your eggs into one basket. 4th and long and you have a holder passing and you have to pray that the D bites on the fake or that the edge man doesn't say F it and lights into Bates instead of pulling up to cover Conroy. And if the play fails you lose the game.

    Any time you lateral the ball in front of the offensive line, it's a pretty risky move. If anything goes wrong on that exchange, it's a fumble and a live ball.

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  • Ol' Drippy said...

    Ya but you have to bank on the defense ALLOWING that underneath man to get over. It's 3rd and 18, the defense doesn't care if you complete an 8 yard pass. That leaves you with a still very difficult 4th and 10. The smart move is to cover the deep routes tight and play soft on the underneath stuff. So our tight end gets open as expected for a farily easy completion. Even if the lateral man is covered the TE can just take the tackle and he still got 8 yards or so. And I'm sure there's secondary routes to look to in the slim chance that Iowa's D is blanketing the underneath route from the TE.

    I'm just saying I don't think that play is overly risky, just smart.

    Agreed. That was desperation time.

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  • Tanfan said...

    Not wrong at the time. The d sucked back then. All about context. Playing the I was right all along game two years later will never fly. Keep dreaming. That was a great thread. Got a lot of people talking.

    Agree. I was a critic. Glad things changed dramatically. After JLS and Bobby it looked like SOS for the defense. That changed rather quickly.

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  • Buffalo Spartan said...

    Agree. I was a critic. Glad things changed dramatically. After JLS and Bobby it looked like SOS for the defense. That changed rather quickly.

    Being a critic and calling for the guys job are two different things. Refusing to admit you were wrong about Nardog is yet another.

    duffy munn

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