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Definitely my favorite if we can get him. I hate our offensive line and with Finley and maybe Dawson, it'd be 10x better
I'd like our chances if true.
In 2-4 years if they develop properly. Keep in mind thst it takes offensive linemen longer then any other position other then QB to turn into true plus players at their positions. Yes there are rare exceptions, but by in large, the best you can hope for with an offensive lineman is for them to a be a functional starter as a redshirt sophomore, a good starter as a junior, and a great starter as a senior.
Keep in mind that the current group of linemen that have seen the field this year has been:
McDonald- Senior. Very good but not great. Peaked in terms of physic in terms of physical talent as a junior. The only real contributor from the "lost" offensive line class of 2008.
Ruhland- Senior. Functional player. Never developed into a player you could win championships with. A decent backup at best. The other remaining survivor of that 2008 class.
Fonoti- Senior. In terms of development more of a junior because he never redshirted and is a JUCO. Good player when healthy. If he recovers early enough, he could come back off his redshirt and be a very good to great player as a senior.
France- Junior. Functional as a sophomore, but had been having a good season prior to injury. He looked bad on Saturday with his bum knee. However, he should recover quickly and is another guy who could end up being very good next year as a senior.
Treadwell- Junior. Been kind of a disappointment so far in his injury plagued career. However, he ass played VERY well the past two weeks after coming off his latest injury. If he can string together an amount of time where he can stay on the practice field for the first time in his career, he could be setting up to have a big year next year.
Burkland- Sophomore. Another guy battling injuries. I'd call him high functional as sometimes he plans very well and sometimes he just has the headshaking mistakes of a player not yet fully ready. He's still young and he's shown a lot of promise. He has a chance to be a good to very good player next year.
Jackson- Sophomore. Talented kid. Better technique than you expect out of a sophomore. Just undersized. He put on ten pounds between last year and this year. Another 10 puts him at 295 and poised to be a very good player in the middle next year.
Allen- Freshmen. Functional. Which is better than you expect from a freshmen. Especially one that is bouncing between two positions. Still making a lot of mistakes, but that's what you get out of a youngster. He's going to keep getting better.
Clark- Freshman. Played a decent game against Michigan, bit was woefully exposed by Wisconsin. He's not a tackle. He's too short and too slow laterally. He's going to be a heck of a guard some day, but he's no tackle.
The bottom line is that most of the best offensive lines are made up of mostly fifth year seniors and fourth year junior. At any point in time this year, our line was littered with freshmen, sophomores, and fourth year juniors. That's not a recipe for success.
He added Wisconsin to round out a top three of MSU WISC and OSU
feels to me like this was for effect.
To elaborate further, things just didn't go as planned for the o line. The 2008 class was essentially a bust at line and the 2009 class was devastated by injury. This was supposed to be the year we had
RT Conway junior 3 star
RG McDonald senior 3 star
C Klatt junior 4 star
LG Reynolds junior 3 star
LT Barrent junior 4 star
Unfortunately injuries and other needs forced changes to the plan.
I'm sure Wisco has been in contact with him, and I'm sure he's at least somewhat interested with how many OL the send to the league, but it's probably still a MSU/OSU battle.
I know we are also talking with Kenton Gibbs. Wouldn't mind Gibbs, Finley and Drake all reminding Dawson how great it would be to be Spartans together.
I know it's a long shot but I would love Hill too. Get that many guys that can play from that school would be amazing.
Webb too next year with drake and wisco's old line ain't what it once was plus we just popped then at camp randy
Isnt Dawson more of a guard?
Thank God you're here to put us all in our place!!!
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to do that.
they offered him today, probably the reason for adding them. weird we still haven't offered. is a visit scheduled? Of course Urbs offered him over the summer when he was trying to poach whoever he could. douchenozzle.
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interview with Wilcher from Sam Webb. I like how Wilcher states Michigan was the best choice for Dawson.
Sam Webb: Now Coach, David Dawson, he and Michigan kind of parted ways. It’s one of those things where he wanted to get out and take visits, and they have a policy. You had to deal with both sides. Talk me through that process, and how you dealt with it as a coach, and what you told David at the end.
Thomas Wilcher: “I think the most important thing is how Dave wants to live his life, and where Dave wants to live his life, and how his parents see him, and where his mother sees him. She's a single mom right now, so I think that's what's most important to me, because he had a lot of tragedies right now in his lifestyle, and I think the most important thing to me is let the kid be happy, let him do what he wants to do, and I just think a lot of things went on in this kid’s life, and it's just best to let him go and let him do what he wants to do. because the more unhappy he is with the things he's dealing with – and he needs to be in grief counseling too - so there's a lot of stuff going on with them. A lot of people don't know that, so that makes a big difference. Once he gets through the grief counseling, once he starts getting into the recruiting process, he might understand that Michigan probably was his best choice, but right now, there's a lot of things he wants to see; a lot of things he wants to experience; and a lot of things he wants to help to bring back up and uplift him. I really that’s really what it is. He wants to be uplifted right now. He's hurt in football. He doesn't get a chance to play. He's not getting a chance to go out and demonstrate his talents, so there's a lot of things you want to do, but right now he wants to be uplifted, and he's trying to get anything he can to uplift him.”
Sam Webb: So the way you talk, you make it sound like there might be some hope still for him in Michigan. Do you think that – initially I got the impression from talking to you that the ship has sailed, that they have moved completely on. Are you holding out a little hope that maybe some things might rematerialize with them?
Thomas Wilcher: “No. Nothing will materialize. That ship has sailed. That bad boy is gone. If you tried to search for it, it might've just sunk (laughter). It's gone. But you know what, I think the most important with Dave right now, like I said, it's just something to uplift him, get him happy, keep him motivated, keep him happy in school so he can get back on the football field and we can play football.”
when they go to michigan it seems that you are right. but lets take a look using Scout's rankings of the past 10 years of Cass Tech kids at BCS schools
2002 - 0 kids
2003 - 0 kids
2004 - 3-star Vernon Gholston - Ohio St. - Not a bust in college - 1st Rd. NFL Draft pick
2004 - 2-star Allen Langford - Wisconsin - Suffered a torn ACL senior year but had a average career otherwise.
2005 - 0 kids
2006 - 0 kids
2007 - 5-star Joesph Barksdale - LSU - Not a bust in college - 3rd Rd. NFL Draft pick
2008 - 5-star Boubacar Cissoko - Michigan - BUST
2008 - 2-star Cortez Smith - Indiana - transfered to Wayne St. from Indiana and was fatally shot in 2011
2009 - 5-star Will Cambell - Michigan - BUST
2009 - 3-star Teric Jones - Michigan - BUST
2009 - 2-star Thomas Gordon - Michigan - average college career
2010 - 4-star Dior Mathis - Oregon - jury still out but a bust so far
2010 - 3-star Daniel Easterly - Missouri - jury still out but made Big12 All-Freshman team
2011 - 3-star Delonte Hollowell - Michigan - jury still out but not in the 2-deep
2011 - 2-star Ken Nelson - illinois - jury still out but not in the 2-deep
feel free to add anyone ive missed. but the guys who have gone to Michigan have been the busts
Cass Tech + UM simply hasn't translated well recently. We can't pinpoint if it the player's or the system's fault- it's likely a combination of both.
Any way you slice it, Dantonio has proven he develops talent. UM's failures with these kids mean nothing when trying to predict how they'll develop at MSU. There's no reason not to have high expectations for Cass Tech kids in our system.
This post was edited by Lawre167 18 months ago
I don't think Allen Langford went to Cass Tech, instead I think he went to Orchard Lake St Mary. Boubacar Cissoko was pretty good before his off the field problems started.
This post was edited by Hlijae 18 months ago
This is obviously heading in the direction of the original Benenoch thread, just from an activity standpoint. Let's just keep in mind that a higher profile kid like Dawson probably gets out there and reads a little of his own ink. PS, I was one of the biggest jerks on the CB thread, I'm not calling anyone out.
Did MSU offer? If our staff was recruiting the kid they probably thought he was pretty good.
Thats what we will be saying if we can snag this stud. Kid is a monster.
I wish David the best regarding his decision, would be incredible to see him in the Green & White.
"Stats are for Losers." - Pat "Nardawg" Narduzzi
"Benenoch who" that's what I've been saying for months now regardless.
Couldn't care less about him. I want kids that want to be Spartans.
I'm not sure Wilcher is doing Dawson any favors here the way he is presenting him. Wilcher makes it sound like he has major baggage.
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