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Good call. I read that quickly and thought it was talking about him handling the kicking duties (not just KO duties).
But I agree. If this guy is the best kicker coming out of high school, there will at least be an open competition.
Not likely that Coach D would have a true Fr. handle the place kicking duties unless Geiger completely outperforms Muma in Fall camp.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Swenson was the savior for John L due to the abomination of the John Goss era.
Coach D hasn't started a frosh kicker. But if the kid is markedly better and has the mental strength to handle it, then who knows.
Brett Swenson was a JLS 2006 recruit. Swenson was a RS Fr. when Coach D came to MSU in 2007 and he was the only scholarship K on the roster in 2007 since John Goss had graduated (Thank God).
Sorry man, but you're wrong about that. Swenson kicked as a true FR in 2006 and graduated in 2009. Conroy has kicked for the past 3 years; he hit a 50 yarder vs. FAU in Ford field during the '10 season en route to his 14/15 debut.
Just pointing out that a true FR K has kicked for MSU recently so it's not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen again. I realize that the staff likes to redshirt 90% of the class, but it's not like a K has to go up against big strong linemen or anything.
You're right Rocky I forgot that but Swenson was a true Fr. K under JLS not Coach D.
Note : Goss was a JUCO K from JLS' 2004 class.
Note : Geiger will also have to beat out 3 kickers who are already on the roster; Kevin Muma, Evan Fischer and Kevin Cronin.
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John Goss was brought up. Obligatory post of his way too hot ex-girlfriend that he should never have been able to even look at
I would just say that if they thought Fischer or Cronin were the answer they wouldnt have felt the need to offer Geiger. I am told its going to be an open battle.
Muma's really the only competition there; the other two are practice-guys only.
I'm mostly joking here, but you seem to have a thing against true FR playing. Almost every prospect is "will RS to gain strength and size", but Dantonio has shown a willingness to play true FR from time to time. I bet 5 members of the '13 class play as true FR.
My guess is that it will be an open competition with the tie going to the veteran player. I get the sense that's how it almost always is under Dantonio.
But real game situations are different with pressure both physical and psychological. Baker was the man and fumbled the ball repeatedly before Bell got the ball first. Maxwell is a different player with real game pressure and contact. I think the staff is learning to switch gears a little faster as well as doing things like having full contact practices even for their crucial positions like QB and RB. So whoever wins will need to hold their job too.
Yeah there is just about always some freshman contributors. Coach D has repeatedly said everyone will get a chance. But CBD is also right that most players will redshirt so it's a safe bet to suggest they will.
That could be a fun competition here though - guessing who will contribute as a freshman based on their talent and who's infront of them.
5? Seems a bit high.
I could see Reschke playing, perhaps one of the WRs if they end up being really good. There's also the possibility that someone could win a return job, but with Kings/Sims/Hill i'm not so sure. Then probably Holmes or D. Williams have a shot at playing at RB. Outside of that, I don't know who would get any early PT. I'd honestly guess 2 people play as true frosh, Holmes/Williams and Reschke.
I'll take the under here. While I agree Dantonio has played true freshman, the overall lack of attrition makes the depth chart just too crowded for most to crack. OL/DL almost as a rule have been RS, TE has some decent depth and there are a slew of young DBs ahead of the 2013 kids.
I'm going to predict three: Reschke (in spot duty similar to Max's FR year), Holmes and Williams (bigger RBs).
BUT, this is just a prediction. Who's to say Geiger doesn't walk in kicking 50+ yard FGs, Shane Jones becomes a special teams beast like Denicos was before he was a starter and a guy like Jay Harris finds a role in the passing game.
I'd like to see most of the guys RS though. I think MSU is a better, deeper team because of the RS the past few classes.
Do you think that as the program progresses the staff is hoping to start fewer freshman? Starting freshman implies the kids recruited earlier didn't really work out.
Reschke is going to play barring injury; he's slotted to take over for Bullough in '14 and needs to get experience, a la Bullough in '10. One of the RBs is going to play (counting Delton Williams as an RB), maybe 2. Geiger is likely. They're still looking for a KR, though I'd assume Kings/Sims Jr. has the inside track there. The linemen will RS barring a true injury disaster. Hicks could see time on special teams and there is a somewhat open CB competition, though Waynes has the inside track, followed closely by Ezra Robinson.
So I guess 3 seem almost certain and 4 a realistic possibility.
I don't think 5 FR will start, just that 5 will see PT as true FR. Big difference there and I certainly don't expect 5 true FR starters; more than 2 would shock me (Geiger and maybe an RB).
Let's say O'Connor wins the quarterback job. Is it at all possible that during blowouts of the first couple of games (assuming there are any), Terry gets a few snaps and then redshirts like we do with other players?
Or would we only give snaps to whoever is considered the backup (Maxwell/Cook)? I'm guessing we would have to just give the backup playing time, unless we would really consider removing Terry's redshirt in the case of an injury to O'Connor (remember this scenario is assuming O'Connor wins the job heading into the first game of the year).
I think if anyone other than Maxwell wins the starting job next year, Maxwell gets the garbage time reps out of seniority and respect, in a way.
I still think Maxwell is the better overall QB than Cook. I think it's definitely possible that O'Connor wins out the job, which would put Maxwell in the 2nd string spot, I'm guessing.
This post was edited by Jandy 18 months ago
laconophilia is everywhere...
Maxwell has tools but he's a disaster in his decision making during games. Maybe he fixes that and maybe he doesn't. The great QB's don't necessarily have the greatest arms ever, but they handle pressure and they make more good quick split second decisions than they make bad ones. They know when to take a risk and when the risk isn't worth it.
I'm very much behind the Staffs decision to go live with QB's taking hits in practice and scrimmages until there is "the guy" figured out.
Maxwell is like the reverse Cousins. Cousins would shine when the lights were on, but was so-so in practice. Big reason why the coaches took so long in naming him the full starter in '09.
Maxwell looks like a 1st round NFL draft pick in practice (more or less). His performance in real game situations is what's prompted the move to live-contact in the spring/bowl practices.
5 is too high Rocky. I'll take the "under' on this.
Jon Reschke will get some PT to prepare him to replace Max Bullough in 2014.
Gerald Holmes has a chance to get PT as the big back.
If the staff decides to try Delton Williams @ RB instead of on defense, he could be the big back. Delton will come in physically D-1 ready.
Note : Damion Terry could get some reps if there are any early season blow-outs but the staff won't burn his red-shirt.
Note : After NSD, I'll review, up-date and finalize the rankings.
So do you see a scenario where Terry gets some early season reps and then if the starter gets hurt, we would turn to the backup even though Terry was the one getting reps over them in early season blowouts?
Terry would be the 3rd or 4th QB to come in the game in a blow-out situation. He would not come in ahead of the backup QB.
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