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That's just it. They've put themselves into a position where now they HAVE to get solid players in 2014. Rather than being able to "close out" just a couple from the 2013 list and add a couple more in the 2014 class, their backs are getting put against the wall now. No one knows how 2014 line prospects will look but it's hard to get excited about it right now.
Consider the #s game here for a second.
Michigan State lost 2 OL in 2011, Foreman and McGaha
MSU loses 2 OL this year in McDonald and Ruhland
That's a total of 4 OL leaving in a 2 year span.
Michigan State brought in 4 OL last year and 1 OL in '13. That's adding 5 total OL in that same 2-year span.
The net is a gain of 1 OL in the program without adding anyone else. It's really not as dire as it's made out to be, and I think a lot of the angst is the fact that UM is taking a ton of OL right now. There's a reason for that; they have 1 OL in their program from the '10 and '11 classes combined. MSU doesn't have that same attrition.
Most programs carry 12-16 OL. Going into next year, MSU has:
SR: France, Fonoti, Treadwell, Conway
JR: Burkland, Jackson
Soph: Clark, Allen
RS FR: Conklin, Kieler, Higgins, McGowan
That's 13. Add in Lints and Kruse and it's 15. Figure there'll be 3-4 OL recruits for '14, to offset the 4 MSU loses.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Very nice, rational analysis. Thanks for putting that together. Looks like the coaches are looking at a lot of talented OL in 2014.
There have been reports about the scout team and out of the bowl practices the younger lineman are doing very well. Perhaps that explains the apparent shift in emphasis away from the O-line during the year. I would feel better about these reports if the staff had a record of producing a superior performance out of the line but it is what it is.
Many here wondered about new offers to players at so called skill positions instead of linemen. Maybe the coaching staff is taking a best athlete approach and is generally OK with what they have on the O-line.
Also remember the conventional wisdom that linemen were a position of emphasis this year is based on second hand information or speculation. We really do not know what the staff was thinking. Some posters seem to be upset that the coaching staff is not listening to them when setting recruiting priorities. I will side with the coaching staff. For some perspective look at the start of the Damion Terry thread. The second post is a complaint about offering a QB instead of more linemen.
One Freshman lineman is not a good situation. I expect that there will be one or two preferred walk-ons to add some depth.
Nice work Rocky.
The 1st red flag was raised when it was learned that Peko wasn't going to be able to enroll in Jan. and he would have to stay another term at Cerritos JC.
#2, Then there was some concern that all of his JUCO credits wouldn't transfer to allow him to gain entrance to MSU in June.
#3, Then there was more concern that he would have to take some JC summer courses and wouldn't arrive on campus until late Aug. or early Sept.
MSU wanted Peko but the negatives started to be a concern and from what I've heard, that earlier this week he knew that MSU couldn't accept his pledge.
MSU whiffed on most of the top 2013 OL prospects on their board. The same thing happened in 2012.
Long-term, the overall quality and lack of quality depth on the OL is a major concern to me. 2014 is going to be a make or break year in OL recruiting for MSU.
Thanks for the info on Peko,,,,the OSU verbal makes a lot of sense in light of thess factors.
& I agree about '14 & the O-line,,,,,recruiting needs to pick up there. How does the talent at OL look to stack for '14.....esp in the Midwest ?
How much would Riley Norman joining the football team after his freshman year affect your opinion?
I had thought the 2011/2012 classes were doing well on the practice squad OL. Do you disagree?
laconophilia is everywhere...
The '14 talent on the OL in the Midwest is weaker than the '13 OL group which was one of the strongest in the last few years..
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How much earlier this week? Yesterday you said you'd be surprised if he didn't end up at MSU then he commits last night. This is just strange, seems to have happened real fast.
Thanks for the detail though. I never saw the connection between not being able to enroll in January and the all of the sudden drop in interest.
From what I heard, Riley Norman didn't play very well during his Sr. year. It appeared that his heart just wasn't in it. Football appeared to be the last thing on his mind, he was just going thru the motions. He is a physically imposing looking OL but I guess the fire isn't there. At this time, there is no indication that he will ever play football at MSU.
Note : When I get a chance I'll post the straight scoop on MSU's returning OL.
There was a lot of discussion back and forth about Peko. MSU did want him. Eventually they decided that the risk involved (qualifying) outweighed the upside.
Gotcha. The concern over qualifying is way more logical than the concern over enrolling in January. My take on early enrollment was always that doing it was a positive but couldn't figure out why not doing it would be a negative.
Well, it still would have been a negative, b/c with a juco that is needed immediately, that spring practice would be invaluable. It just would not have been a big enough negative to cause MSU to no longer be interested. Unless I'm misunderstanding CBD.
I remember hearing this last year. If you think there are OL issues now just see in 3-4 years if MSU has injuries. 3 tackles and 2 guards in 2 years on the OL.
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And only 4 OL that left in those 2 years.
You may have missed my post earlier on the page. MSU's #s on the OL increased after those 5 OL come in.
If MSU takes fewer than 3 OL next year, then I'd say there's cause for concern.
We need #'s and quality. Finley looks legit. That's 1 legit OT in 2 years.
We have no idea how the frosh group will perform.. most will still have all of 2013 to develop and step into roles starting in 2014..
Let's not go crazy as, typically, OL won't contribute for 3-4 years after stepping foot on campus
Well the concerns about early enrollment in this case went hand-in-hand with the concerns about qualifying in this case, anyways
Hope you're right.
Again, what's the "numbers" talk? As I said above, there are 13 scholarship OL that will be in the program next year and 15 counting two walk-ons who's names have popped up from time to time.
If you think about this year, one of the worst injury years for an MSU OL in forever (yes, even worse than '11), MSU still only used 9 OL during the regular season.
Aha, the thing is, we went 6-6 and the easiest thing to blame is OL and OL recruiting.
Oh, and Roushar.
Now that we have this cleared up, please proceed.
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