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Someone else provided the numbers (right above your previous post). Even with the expected transfers, we're at 15 and over signed. Therefore, we'll still need 1 or 2 guys to leave to bring in Boyd or another DL this year. There is no way this class gets bigger than 17 or 18. Coach D is not going pull off a Saban and run off players.
There could be some injury evaluations, or some rising SRs that have told the coaches they're going to use the grad transfer exception, like Deyo.
There could also be a decommit or two; not thrilled about that news on Cooper (possible NC State visit), though I'll wait until someone confirms it before going all
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I'm sure there will be attrition, whether it's transfers or injuries or decommitments, but it looks like there's going to have to be a significant number of departures to get to a class of 17-18. It's not difficult to look at the scholarship numbers and see MSU is already "over-capacity." I know there was some quotes about Coach D being 'surprised' about Bell leaving but I don't buy that. The staff has already taken 15 verbals to only 10 departing scholarships seniors, I don't buy they expected anything but for Bell, Sims and Gholston to leave.
I think MSU could sign 17-18 if the next 2-3 guys were guys they really/wanted or needed. If guys like Alec James and Tyler Boyd wanted to be Spartans, it would seem the staff would make that happen. I do not really see MSU signing 17-18 just for the sake of signing 17-18.
I only have 8 SRs with the return of Fonoti and Hoover. Here's my post from tRCMB on it:
Here are the Seniors on schollie by my count:
Not sure if Mitchell White was on schollie, or if Drew Stevens got a Med DQ this year. I'm not counting them for now.
Here's the 2008 class, in case you want to peruse who could have been a 5th year SR.
There were 5 true FR that played in '09: Norman, Baker, Caper, Sims and Treadwell. Baker went pro last year, Sims and Treadwell reclaimed their 'shirts, but Sims is going pro this year. Caper and Norman are graduating.
You could say that this year was Rather Hall's last "gift" to the program; that 2008 class was gutted, leaving a derth of SR leaders this year.
Anyways, bottom line here is that MSU looks oversigned even with 15 recruits and the 3 guys leaving. If I'm missing someone, feel free to let me know.
Like I said above, I think MSU will get to 17-18 only if it's players they feel that have to have. I don't think they're going to try to get "creative" with scholarship numbers on a "project" or a "diamond in the rough."
Hypothetically speaking, lets say MSU gets James and Boyd to commit to get to 17 pledges for 2013. It appears there are only 11 openings from graduation/NFL departures. MSU will need to find six spots to make room for the 2013 guys. Six to me seems high as other than Rather Hall, I can't remember that many defections.
Based on past years compiling the scholarship chart I think the class is full at 15. We seem to always be around 89 on signing day. To get to 17-18 means there are 2-3 additional players that the staff pretty much knows will be getting medical DQ's or transfering. I could see 2, maybe 3, but those saying we may add 5 more to this class are way off base in my opinion.
wouldn't be surprised if a 5th year player who hasn't cracked the 3 deep ends up transferring like Deyo last year.
There are several players that fit this mold. Gainer, Hoebing, Klatt... I'm sure there are others.
Mitchell White is on scholarship but he is a Sr.
Drew Stevens went from scholarship to Medical DQ for his Sr. season and retired from football.
Arthur Ray went from scholarship to Medical DQ for his Sr. year and has probably retired from football but he could ask the NCAA for another year of eligibility if he transfers.
Thanks, didn't know if White was on schollie or not.
So that's 9 seniors + 3 JRs leaving. Looks like MSU is oversigned by 3.
I think. 3 is reasonable number for attrition. There's always an O/Dlineman, DB, WR, etc.. That's buried that thinks they can find more pt elsewhere. Donald spencer, Matt Ramondo, Connor Dixon etc..
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Not MSU related, but i thought this was funny relating to 2013 recruiting
AllenTrieu: Texas A&M's fax machine better be ready for the 400 LOIs that are going to come in on Signing Day
AllenTrieu: Texas A&M has nine WR commits. My flag football team doesn't even have nine wide receivers on it.
Lol, Sumlin is one hell of a recruiter, at a school that's been absolutely aching for success. Really wish he would come back to the B1G.
laconophilia is everywhere...
I guess when you move to the SEC your recruiting becomes just like the SEC. Recruit everyone you can and then start kicking people off the team. Also, forget academics because these are athletes first and students second. I would be 50 percent of the players in the SEC could never even qualify at a B1G school. The NCAA with all their recruiting changes would really put a hammer down on number of commits a team can take. I know the number is supposedly 25, but tell me how that is possible when you see teams with 28 or 30 recruits. Need to find a way to level the playing field.
Fight for the only colors, Green and White!
They're using Big12 recruiting rules... SEC stopped oversigning. And B1G and SEC and the rest of the NCAA have the exact same qualifications, except Stanford, Northwestern, and Vanderbilt (who use their own).
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It's not an SEC problem, UM's class is projected to be 28 or something I believe.
You can oversign by 3 occasionally right?
My understanding is you can oversign 3 (max 28). Those 3 have to be counted towards the prior years class, so I think there has to be room in that class. If you had signed 25 in the prior class then 3 of the signees couldn't have made it the the field. In the case of aTm, they will not sign more than 28 total, so some of their offers won't be honored or some of the kids won't be eligible.
I saw quotes from Cooper another site and he basically said other teams are trying to get him to visit, but he's going to MSU and he's excited for his official visit at MSU.
3 early enrollees can be backdated to the previous class, as long as the previous class is under 25. If they had more than 25 in the previous class, they have to make sure 3 EE were backdated in the previous class, to make room.
But he's going to visit NC State according to Scout so which is it!
CBD? Do you know?
I thought this was pretty much debunked last week.
I didn't know it was but I was being a smartass
I think it was basically debunked that it was a recruiting trip. He still may be going to support his friend. Who knows. I'm not particularly worried about him.
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