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I have always believed that if you follow the elite coaching staffs then you will find the elite football schools. Right now, the SEC has the best stable of coaches from assistants to head coaches. Yes, the Big12 head coaches get paid slightly more than the SEC coaches currently, but the assistants in the SEC get paid more than the Big12. Below is a figure I found from 2012. Generally speaking, if you want to win then follow the money trail.
"Among conferences, the SEC has the highest average compensation per assistant this season at more than $315,000. The Big 12 is next at just under $290,000."
I can also tell you that the assistant pay gap has closed and conferences have wisened up to paying assistant coaches more. Here is an article from 2010 where seven of the top ten highest paid assistant coaches came from the SEC. That is salary domination and the results translated onto the grid iron.
Finally, here is an article about average assistant salary compensation for the B1G. Particularly, pay attention to the top six coaches - they only come from three schools and five of the six coaches come from two schools. I also believe that Wisconsin will be in a world of hurt shortly if they do not find some assistant coaching talent - everyone left over the past two years.
I think that's true at the sort of top levels, with guys like Jadeveon Clowney and Terrell Pryor who are just ridiculous athletes even at the college level.
But I don't know as raw athleticism is the difference in most cases. Most 4 and 5 star guys aren't that. They're great athletes, but they aren't at that top OMG level. MSU has made hay over the last few years in bringing in guys who are excellent raw athletes, but aren't rated as high, probably because they got less-good coaching in school and don't have their technique as football players, especially as measured in a combine setting, as well-refined. And molding them into good football players damn quick. Guys like Marcus Rush, Darqueeze Dennard, B.J. Cunningham, Joel Foreman, Denicos Allen, R.J. Williamson, Kurtis Drummond, Johnny Adams, Jerel Worthy. All 3* recruits, except Dennard who was a 2* but MSU was able to develop them into guys every bit athletically competitive at a Big 10 level as redshirt freshmen.
In short, I think the difference between most 4*s and the high 3* types MSU is getting is something that Dantonio and co can make up pretty quick, so I tend to think a lot of those fourth stars were earned by better-coached recruits, not ones who are just always going to be better.
I agree on the pay point; disagree that there is better coaching in SEC vs. B1G generally. No way to prove this, but give Dantonio the NFL roster that Mark Richt has year-over-year, and Dantonio will easily surpass anything Richt has done -- which is virtually nothing. But for a decent year this year, Spurrier has been largely "okay" but not great. Tennessee is a trainwreck. Chisik no better than any B1G, and I'd say the same for Muschamp.
My point is that Richt et al. are filling their rosters with guys who are ready-now for college football, which is what happens when you play virtually year-round. Dantonio redshirts so many because they need more seasoning. And by the way, football speed is different than running real fast. Guys who are more "ready" play faster because its so instinctive, which is why SEC ball always looks like its played at hyper-speed.
Ugh. This thread. I keep clicking it hoping for actual news.
"Stats are for Losers." - Pat "Nardawg" Narduzzi
Speaking of raw athleticism, how about Colin Kaepernick. 2-star recruit. 6'5 190lbs. 4.84 sec 40. Only offer was from Nevada.
No way his 40 time was that slow...
I agree that Dantonio is a top notch coach as are several other coaches in the B1G. However, I am not talking about just MSU's coaching staff specifically or just head coaches. Instead, I am talking about the total stable of coaches (head and assistant) in each conference. This is probably too subjective of a topic, but I always believe in following the money trail.
And BTW - I am happy the SEC has Bielma. His clock management skills were atrocious. Dantonio owned him in that department every single game.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MSUinIL 14 months ago
Not to be a jerk but this is the 2014 recruiting thread. Unless it's direclty related to 2014 take it elsewhere.
Stop. Please fucking stop.
Alright, here's an update:
It's February 4, 2013 and Drake Harris is still committed to the Michigan State Spartans.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
And according to Allen Trieu looking to enroll early?
Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.
What is the position breakdown for this class looking like?
I am not a doctor
I'm going to guess 20 scholarships. I think there are 16 free, plus normal attrition, etc.
QB - 1
RB - 1-2
WR - 2
TE - 1
OT - 2
OG - 2
C - 1
DE - 2
DT - 1
LB - 2-3
CB - 2-3
S - 1
They may take another DT, though they took 3 in '12, and 2 TEs depending on if Jones/Price moves to a different position and Lang's health.
The Spartans are looking to take 20 prospects and right now I would put the most likely number at 22 for the 2014 class. Taking 20-22 prospects in 2014 would be a more normal sized class than the 2013 class. These numbers are always fluid based on possible attrition or walk-ons being awarded scholarships.
Here’s a look at the position-by-position projected numbers for the 2014 class :
DL: 4 (2 DT, 2 DE)
LB: 3 or 4 (Already 2 committed; Deon Drake and Byron Bullough)
DB: 3 (2 CB, 1 S)
OL: 4 or 5 (Ideally 2 OT, 2 OG, 1 OC)
RB: 1 or 2
TE: 0 or 1 (Depends on if there is a TE that the staff really likes)
WR: 2 (1 more if Drake Harris stays committed)
P: 1 (Mike Saddler will graduate after the 2014 season)
So Lyles is definitely moving to DE? That's the only situation in which I could see them taking 4 LBs. I assume both Drake and Bullough are OLBs; figure they really want Garrett as the ILB in the class, though with Reschke it's pretty hard to sell early PT at that position.
MSU had 146 offers out for the 2013 class to players in 24 states with 18 commits from 6 states. They had 161 offers out for the 2012 class and received 19 commits. For 2014 they will probably extend 150-170 offers.
Nothing definite yet on Lyles moving to DE. The staff wants to see how big he gets coming out of winter conditioning. The ? has been whether or not the S & C staff bulks him up or if he comes out of conditioning in the Taiwan Jones mold. It will be clearer when Spring practice begins.
The 2014 LB class is very deep nationally. MSU would not be adverse to taking 4 LB's in 2014.
Remember there is always growth and a percentage of CB's become safeties, a percentage of safeties that become LB's and a percentage of LB's that become DE (or DT in LT's case) and DE to DT of course. The staff knows this.
Take Reschke for example. Everyone say's he's the next Max Boullugh but his film also screams that he could be the next Marcus Rush too. Maybe he'll be better than both and provide some of each of what those guys do. Who knows. It will be fun to find out where he plays ultimately.
To state the obvious, OL recruiting will be big in 2014. I have a feeling some of these 2014 OL recruits will be called on to contribute early. Jamarco Jones or Kyle Trout would be great pick ups at OT as well as Brian Allen at C.
DL recruiting, as almost every year, will be big too. Malik McDowell is obviously the big name here, but MSU seems to be in on Lawrence Marshall who's a big recruit in his own right.
I'd also like to see a top-shelf, college ready RB in this class. Even if the 2013 starter goes for over 1000+ yards in the fall, I think you sell a kid on meaningful PT in 2014. MSU has seemed to get most of the guys they really wanted at RB over the last two-three years, but other than Holmes, they're smaller backs. MSU could use a bigger back in this class, IMO. MSU has some early offers out, but I'm not sure how likely any of them are to be Spartans.
This post was edited by GMSparty12 14 months ago
I honestly care very little about the skill positions. We have historically recruited them very well, and I believe we are deep and talented there. I just want one elite tackle, and one elite DT. Just one of each. I think that's the last piece of the puzzle that is keeping us from competing regularly. I will take a team with an excellent line and decent skill position players over a team with a decent line and excellent skill position players any day.
I agree MSU has been to attract talent at skill positions with both highly rated and under the radar guys. The list of RBs and WRs (this year not withstanding) MSU has had under Dantonio have been very, very good.
I don't agree MSU is one OT or DT away from competing (whether that's for B1G championships, BCS or whatever). Specific to RB, I think MSU lost a lot of talent the last two years with Bell, Baker and Caper gone. The guys on the roster may rise to the occasion, but as it stands today, are almost all unproven. I also don't favor the 300+ carry model MSU has gone with at times (Bell/Ringer). I think MSU could achieve the same rushing success by splitting carries between two or more talented backs.
I really hope we can pull 4 OL out of this class.
Agreed. The issue isn't "can we get guys" the issue is who the guys will be.
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