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I made a rough one, anyone on this board is free to edit it to add info or make it better (no google account needed). I'll put it in the OP as well.
Also note that some DT turn into OG. Some TE's turn into Tackles. Even DE will sometimes end up on the OL. HS OL recruits rarely ever turn into anything else.
msu's website promo's it like dominators are a great thing.
in fact last year, joel foreman led the team in dominators (with 10) and was first team all big ten.
mcdonald was promo'd for having 5 dominators.
i assumed they are/were the equivalent to "pancakes".
can someone please clarify. thanks.
Yeah, dominators are the equivalent of pancakes.
Dominators are a good thing i'm pretty sure. That said, I can't find that term used anywhere except MSU's websites.
Found this from an MLive article where he describes dominators, same as a pancake.
Allen, who makes all the offensive line calls and frontal recognitions, leads the Spartans offensive line with 13 "dominators,'' plays where he drove his man off the ball and onto his back.
Allen, who makes all the offensive line calls and frontal recognitions, leads the Spartans offensive line with 13 dominators,'' plays where he drove his man off the ball and onto his back.
..........maybe you shouldn't listen so much to your "buddy in the program"
especially when using it to disparage a player.
Ding ding ding
laconophilia is everywhere...
Less arguing on message boards, more working on Brian Allen to MSU.
Yea, otherwise it'd be like MSU's sports info department bragging about the # of pass interference calls that got called on a DB . Outside of INTs/Fumbles, team sites aren't going to be putting info like that in a player's profile if it's bad info.
Side note: any questions about my OL "War & Peace" analysis? Basically it says MSU will be fine on the OL as long as they take 4-5 in '14.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Really, aside from a string of ridiculously bad luck I think we're ok. When healthy and consistent the OL has looked good.
You mean like my buddy who talks to the coaches on a regular basis and is constantly around the players? I'd say he's more knowledgable than an Mlive reporter. He's not a booster. Or the janitor. He has a position with the team. Remember, reporters also thought that Manti Te'o had a real girlfriend and don't always check their facts...
This post was edited by EastGreatFalls 14 months ago
Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.
The poster you're quoting is related to Jack Allen, if you were wondering.
yes I know. I wasn't ripping Allen either. I was saying he's young, but he's good. He just needs a little refining and some more experience. I'm excited about his potential and what he can do. Allen had some hiccups to start the year, but he made 12 starts this season, and by all accounts his all-american wrestling background helped him. He will be a building block on the line for the future.
Back to Rocky's post, it's interesting that we were the only team with 9 starters that saw action, and OSU and Michigan had all 5 starters all season. I think that's fairly uncommon to not have at least ONE starter get injured for even a part of the season, but MSU has had awful luck with line injuries. I'm a firm believer that building winning programs starts in the trenches. We have recruited and developed talent well on the DL, however injuries have decimated the OL in recent years. If you look at the NFL, the best teams have the best lines. The 49ers had 2 or three all-pro guys, and the Ravens had 1 or 2 of them (depending on whose all-pro team you look at).
1-2 injuries appear to be the norm; 8/12 Big 10 teams fell into that category. Losing 0 OL starts to injury (UM, tOSU and yes, ND) is as strange as losing 3+. Losing 0 OL starts is a big big boost to a team, while 3 or more is absolutely debilitating.
If Wav still isn't convinced that it's an injury issue, maybe I'll break down the final top 25 in terms of OL starts lost. I bet you don't find a single program that utilized 9 different OL starters.
look, i take great care NOT to comment specifically, either way, good or bad, on jacks performance on a public message board, that is for others. however......you said, and i QUOTE:
"my buddy in the program says that a dominator is not a good thing. it's when YOU (as in allen) "get your shit wrecked" end quote.
i was in disbelief when i read that. i was 99.9% sure, a dominator was a pancake, but what if, by chance, i was wrong. I WAS NOT.
now, you could have come on and said, "well, my buddy was wrong", but yet, incredibly, you stand by an idiotic comment that is factually incorrect, and in fact, by the above post, somehow make a lame reference to manti te'o to justify yourself.
trust me, there's alot of information i could post that the "general public" isn't aware of but i would NEVER do that, jack's a private kid, from a private family..........
so, rant over.
Ya know, I'm just going to have Dan ask the coaches next time he's over at the Skandalaris center and to put it in the RCR. I'm 99% sure you're right about the dominator stat; as I said before, it makes little sense for the sports info department to put out a stat that reflects poorly on the players, so I think it's a form of particularly dominating pancake block.
Back (sort of) to 2014 recruiting, Brian Allen would be a fantastic addition and as far as I know, is the only C to get an offer from MSU this cycle. Just by the #s, MSU needs 9 interior OL and 6 OTs to field a 3-deep; I think there are 8 OTs and 7 OG/Cs right now on the roster (I may have that backwards).
Okay well I have no idea what your sources or credibility are. Anyone can make statements. If I am wrong and I misunderstood the staff member who informed me than I am wrong and I will stand corrected.
If it makes you feel any better, I was in disbelief when I was informed of what a "dominator" was too. I naturally assumed that Allen was the one who laid someone out. My understanding was a "knockdown" was a pancake. And when I talked to the staff member he told me the one "dominator" in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl was when Allen was run over by his man (Devonte Fields I believe?) and the QB was sacked.
Either way, it's football. People get their bell rung. It happens. I bet even Gholston and Max Bullough have been put on their backs their fair share. Does that make them horrible football players? No. Do I think Jack Allen is a bad football player? Of course not. Even NFL offensive linemen get pancaked from time to time. To insinuate that I was bashing a player singling him out in a negative or offensive way is just ludicrous. I was simply pointing out what a certain statistic that was from a public medium meant according to a member of the football staff. As I have said before, I think Allen is an excellent young player and will be key to our future offensive lines. Calm yourself. We are on the same team here.
Back to the topic.
Rocky that would be an excellent breakdown if you could do that.
Does anyone know our realistic chances of landing any elite OTs?
Just curious as to everyone's opinion on the QB situation. It sounds overwelmingly that our staff prefers O'Connor, but Henderson is going to be the higher rated "move the needle" guy. Obviously O'Connor hasn't been rated yet, but I don't see him coming out with a 97 rating like Henderson. I know, I know, ratings mean nothing, but as we saw in Ole Miss' case yesterday, landing a high National guy has big time effects on your class. The perception that we've got a top guy certainly wouldn't hurt the staff's pitch to keep Drake around and land another guy like let's say, Snodgrass.
So, do you take the guy who may have the overall impact on the class as a whole, or take the QB the staff seems to think has it best. We've seen first hand the effect of a great QB, but we've also seen the effect a big time guy can have towards a big time class.
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The staff has watched both QB's throw at camp, they have O'Conner as their #1 on the board and Henderson as their 2nd best, its pretty simple. I dont think people realize just how little coaches care about where a former mailman ranks a kid.
This post was edited by Fred_Lee 14 months ago
Love your contributions to the board, but why on earth would you want to take a guy if there is one better than him that will play for you. Who cares what a bunch of "pundits" have to say?
Leveon Bell or Rod Smith?
Kirk Cousins or Steven Threatt?
Take the player that the staff evaluates as the better college prospect. Also O'Connor will be getting his due as he probably will put forth a great season and wow some at the camps.
I do understand what you are saying as having a "ring leader" for recruiting that has a lot of hype and other kids buy into it to sway them to join the same class (like the scuM kid).
Any idea if the staff would accept a commitment from Henderson or Kizer? Or, are they waiting to see what O'Conner decides?
couple questions rocky: 1) I DO agree that injuries have been BRUTAL... it's a fact, but then what do you attribute those to? Bad luck or poor conditioning?
2) If, as you say the injuries are primarily to blame,what has happened since Ringer left? Our olines have consistently been VERY sub par at run blocking since he's been gone. Solid pass blocking but poor run blocking: is it injuries all the seasons since JR left or poor coaching by Staten form a scheme standpoint?
I don't get the feeling Kizer wants to commit to us based on the comments in his interview i.e. "nothing more to say about State, now I'm just waiting to see who else offers"
The Henderson situation is a little weid to me. Seemed like both he and his father said over a month ago they'd like to wrap his recruitment up so it gives me the impression we aren't ready to accept a commit. Program insiders claim O'connor is #1 on the board so I think you're right.
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