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That's what I was thinking, though Doles does have a UM offer (Dillard had 0 midwestern power conf. team offers). Still, it's pretty clear that the staff isn't high on him, seeing as they took the lower-rated Gianakakos (sp). People were complaining about MSU overlooking a 4-star OT in their backyard . . . well, it's looking like there's a reason for that.
Still, it's looking like the quality talent in-state is at a minimum. If MSU can wrap up Marshall and maybe grab Hayes at OG, that's a pretty solid in-state hall. Obviously McDowell and/or Harris would be fantastic, but we'll see how those play out.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
That's why people were saying last year was the year to load up. There was a rare amount of talent in the midwest. Time will tell if that is actually true.
I always thought Doles' UM offer was more or less to "sweeten the deal" with Harris, which is why he doesn't have any other offers. Sort of like Funchess was for both schools in 2012
Was it the 2009 class that was way overrated in Michigan?
laconophilia is everywhere...
Not in MI; last year's in-state talent was solid, but not even close to what IL or PA was putting out.
Horribly so. 8 4-stars in that class of 11 went to MSU.
Of those, I'd say only Baker lived up to being a true "4-star". Norman was pretty solid, but never put together a true breakout year (2 straight years Hon. Mention). Caper peaked as a true FR, though we can argue that the staff mis-used him. Sims was very talented, but never put together a full year. Treadwell looks like a solid performer on the OL, but not a 4-star standout (top 5 Center nationally out of HS).
Maxwell has not performed like the #9 Pro-style QB in the country, Spencer transferred and Gainer is a career back-up
2009 was the class that finally did it for me for the "star" system. Best player from that class is probably mid 3-star Denicos Allen.
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Jesus I just looked through the list and that class is depressing. Some players that did nothing, some players that a decent, not elite starters, and a few meh players.
Compared to the 2010 class which blew all expectations out of the water.
I'm working on my 2008 class "re-rank", much like I did for 2007. I can't wait to get to 2010. On Rivals, MSU brought in 1 5-star and 4 4-stars. From the looks of it, you can probably double the # of 4-stars in that class based on performance already, and they're just hitting their RS JR year.
The 2010 class combined with the 8-10 true studs from the '07 and '08 classes (Cousins, Cunningham, Jones, Foreman, CLR, Robinson, Adams, Worthy, K-mart, McDonald) were what made 2010-2011 possible. MSU needs the 2011/2012 classes to start producing. You're seeing it on the D side of the ball now; Williamson, Waynes, Tai Jones, Calhoun, LT (I thought he was a pretty darn effective FB and it sounds like he's making real strides at DT), etc.
Offense . . . man, MSU desperately needs a couple of breakout skill guys. We'll see.
Back to recruiting, Stewart Mandel made the point awhile ago that stud RBs should be lining up to play at MSU. Maybe Gerald Owens finally got the memo?
It's true, comparing the 2009 and 2010 classes for MSU very clearly demonstrates how inaccurate the star system is.
What's kind of funny is that the star system was pretty accurate for the 2010 4-stars: Gholston (5-star, I'd say he didn't quite live up to that billing, but he was definitely a good, 4-star quality player), Bullough (yes), Lewis (yes), Burkland (pretty much yes, been a starting OL since his RS FR year when he's healthy). Boisture retired due to injuries, so he gets a pass.
Then you look at T. Jackson, Bell, Dennard and Rush . . . great class overall. Wish the skill guys would step it up a bit (Hill, Lippett), but MSU has a ton of starters from the '10 class. Rousing success.
I have high hopes for the '11 class, but we'll see. I like what I saw of Jack Allen and I think Clark is going to be a very good OG. LT is a work in progress, Tai Jones looks ready to break out and the other young LBs are getting darn good reviews.
For '14, MSU definitely needs some impact skill position players.
Speaking of funny. Anyone else see Henderson settled for UNC? Ironic that a kid with academic issues settles for a school guilty of perpetrating the most embarrassing academic scandal in history.
yea, bit of unintentional comedy there. If you look at his offer list, it doesn't scream 97 4-star (notwithstanding the MSU bellweather offer ). I think MSU got a guy they're comfortable with in Durkin, though I'm a bit surprised that they didn't wait out on O'Connor. Kizer seemed like he would just go to the biggest "name" that offered, regardless of when that offer came.
That's more of what I meant was the irony in it. I like Durkin. He's got that big guy badass kind of swagger and I dig that in a QB.
Rocky you mentioned Marshall specifically in his thread. Based on the number of visits I'm getting the feeling we not only lead, but that if he wouldn't have commited/decommited from tOSU he'd have pulled the trigger. He's been vocal in interviews about waiting the process out and his handlers have all but said you can't commit somewhere a few months after decomitting, but I don't know. I don't think he makes it to the summer. He's just been on campus too often.
Watkins, someone else mentioned him earlier. Everything I hear from him in views he's given on this site and others says I'm leaning towards MSU and I think we've got a shot at locking him up on his visit. However, the interview he did that included qoutes from his dad over on Badgers 247 really sounded like the depth chart at Wisky, which is thin to say the least, was pretty apealing. I don't know, give me your thoughts.
ps, I saw some stuff from the midwestern analyst from another site suggesting the same things that Steve and Clint had to say last week about Mcdowell and scUM putting some distance between them and the pack. It did sound however, like we had outpaced tOSU and ND thought, which I thought was a win.
Oddly enough, that GF stuff for Marshall could turn out better for MSU than we initially thought. If there isn't a chick, then he's been making all those trips up to MSU just to hang out on campus and enjoy being at MSU. I don't think he's made more than 1 or 2 trips to UM since he decommited to tOSU and approx. 6 or 7 to MSU in the same time frame (I can't keep track).
Now he's foregoing the UM spring game to be @MSU? Sounds like he's the Spartans' to lose at this point.
Re: Watkins . . . I thought Northwestern was a real threat, but I don't think they're quite good enough on the field for him. Wisky's depth chart is very favorable, but what does Anderson's O look like? How does a guy like Watkins fit in? It'll be somewhat of a leap of faith, and with Watkins talking about wanting to commit sooner than later, I think that hurts Wisky.
I have to say that I really like how Watkins is handling the process. Giving nice interviews to everyone and being respectful of each school he visits. You can tell he's doing a lot of due diligence. Definitely a kid that I'd be happy to have in the Green and White.
I think it's a UM/MSU race for McDowell, though quite frankly I think he looks like a 3-4 DE and would probably fit best at ND scheme-wise. Just being honest with you on that one. Then again, he could be the next Mario Williams/Julius Peppers and dominate in a 4-3 setting .
Let's see, who else . . . .
Haven't heard too much about in-state OL prospects. We talked about Doles, but I'm surprised MSU hasn't offered Connor Hayes. They want 2 OGs or 1 OG/1 C in this class.
Gotta like Gerald Owens' opinion of MSU. Bell's success, moreso than Baker and Ringer, has really piqued the interest in the prep ranks. MSU hasn't had a ton of success pulling NJ kids under MD (Calhoun is it on the current roster, IIRC), but to have a top prospect reach out to MSU first? Can't complain about that.
I think MSU's defensive reputation is making inroads in the South as well. I've read several articles in the past few days about DBs and DTs in the South mentioning MSU's defense specifically. No clue if it'll pay off, but I could see Darqueze Dennard's success having a similar impact on DB recruits, with him being the so-called "shining example" of how good of a coach MD and Co are.
Haven't heard much on Nick Richardson, but that looks like MSU's best shot at an (recruiting ranking) elite OT this year. I think Jamarco Jones is tOSU bound.
It's like an extra, free RCR. Thank you!
Isnt Richardson supposed to be a guard?
Others have recruited him at OT, while he said MSU was recruiting him on the interior. That was before Bollman came in, however. So that could change our recruiting strategy, and could alter how interest (whether increase or decrease).
RT/OG. Not an LT prospect from what I can tell. Put it to you this way, MSU would find a place for him on the OL.
Then again, there are OL who put on strong showing each camp season (Finely). Wouldn't be surprised if MSU snags an up-and-comer over the summer at OL.
Really need Brian Allen though; I think MSU put all of it's C eggs in his basket.
Kind of disappointing to see that we missed on Snodgrass and Booth and are a long shot with Harris. Considering we were in on all these guys early. Any one would have been a nice threat next to burbridge next year.
Snodgrass isn't really a miss.
I wonder if we offer Maurice Ways soon. Big frame guy, get Mannie to bulk him up and be an effective blocker and red zone threat.
Exactly what I was thinking re: Snodgrass. FWIW, his 247 rating has been dropping like a stone.
Ways seems like a guy destined for a 4-star bump; maybe Drake Harris-lite.
If MSU pulls Watkins + Ways, I'd be pretty happy at WR.
I would love that but he's waiting on a scUM offer. He's a flat out scUMean at this point and its been confirmed via interview by all 4 relevant services in interviews.
We always agree Macks but Snodgrass is without question a miss. Dantonio visited him at his HS like 60 days ago.
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