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Same school as Quincy Wilson. If we picked up both those guys I would JMP
Macgarrett Kings' high school.
Deserves its own thread
Good stuff but I would give walkons at least 1 star considering there is no 1 star really. They are throwing your math off too much if considered 0.
Solid stuff. +1 and thanks for taking the time to write it all out.
Even adding 1 star for Walk-on's you still get a 2.23 star average on offense.
Did it for 2011 as well..
Wilson 2 star
Burkhead 4 star
Ball 4 star
Jenkins 3 star
McNutt 3 star
Konz 4 star
Foreman 2 star
Zeitler 3 star
Feiff 3 star
Dunsmore 2 star
Maher- 2 star
Average star rating: 2.90
Mercilus 3 star
Worthy 3 star
Still 4 star
Short 3 star
David 4 star
Borland 3 star
Taylor 2 star
Robinson 2 star
Dennard 3 star
Peters 2 star
Fenelus 2 star
Maher 2 star
Average star rating: 2.75
Part of the star increase is because the recruiting sites (and other coaches) give Dantonio more respect for finding talent now.
I didn't realize there is a 247 article on this, my bad.
This post was edited by SpartyFever 18 months ago
I completely agree. In fact, it is getting to be comical how MSU offers a player and then other staffs in the B1G take notice.
MSU should offer MAC recruits just so Hoke/Meyer waste schollies
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Offense should be 2.53. There are no 1- or 0-stars in recruiting - that is not what the 5-star scale is meant to represent. Give the walk-ons a 2-star rating as that is the default lowest. Not being ranked means they haven't been evaluated; the minimum is a 2-star.
So what's the point of 5 star scaling without a 1 star rating to give?
Here's a snippet from Rivals' page explaining their star rankings:
"6.1 Franchise Player; considered one of the elite prospects in the country, generally among the nation's top 25 players overall; deemed to have excellent pro potential; high-major prospect
6.0-5.8 All-American Candidate; high-major prospect; considered one of the nation's top 300 prospects; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team
5.7-5.5 All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect; deemed to have pro potential and ability to make an impact on college team
5.4-5.0 Division I prospect; considered a mid-major prospect; deemed to have limited pro potential but definite Division I prospect; may be more of a role player
4.9 Sleeper; no Rivals.com expert knew much, if anything, about this player; a prospect that only a college coach really knew about"
Even a 4.9 is a 2-star. They are pretty rare because usually Rivals will give them at least a cursory evaluation if they bother to give them a rating at all. Ultimately the star system is just a visual representation of the rivals ranking and the two-digit rating 247 gives, so it's better to use those for your averages than stars.
I understand where you are coming from, but isn't being "evaluated" the sole responsibility of the recruiting company? If these NR recruits are talented and deserve a 2-star rating, why is it that these major websites miss them?
They can't renege and say, "Well if we didn't rate them, then that means they are automatically a 2-star." That's crap if you ask me. If they took the time to make a profile for a player then that player should be evaluated. If he doesn't get evaluated, that means Rivals didn't think he was a good enough player, period.
Rivals failed to identify talent, hence a 1-star evaluation by me. By doing this experiment, I was trying to prove that the ratings system is all a bunch a bologna.
Also, if a major school is offering a walk-on spot to this type of player, a recruiting website better evaluate the guy. They are able to see the walk-on offer so what's stopping them from rating them? By believing they're not a good enough player.
You could make the case that some of these walk-on's go to JUCO to start, but come on, I believe it would be hard to miss a player like Abbredaris in high school. If you can't see that talent, then you're not doing your job effectively.
Rivals can't cover their butt and say, "If we don't rank somebody, and they become good, they're automatically a 2-star recruit." No, that's dumb, because we shouldn't even have 2-star recruits if everyone already starts out as one. A 1-star rating should be more fitting.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MSUHill 17 months ago
Ranking recruiting classes feels almost identical to Mel Kiper post-draft "grades." It may even be more hit-and-miss since we're talking about HS kids, who are still developing physically (and mentally) and most of whom never played consistently against good competition. Is a soft, doughy-looking Henry Poggi really going to be that much better than Noah Jones or Bodanis? Rivals says "yes indeed!" Reality says its a coin flip.
Even the NFL experts are now doing a draft grade exercise 3 years later...which is a bit more sensible. But everyone loves lists, and high value targets like OSU fans, who pay a lot of money to recruiting services, get their fix with rankings.
This post was edited by Tupes 17 months ago
It's Mark Dantonio's evaluation versus Rivals "recruiting gurus". Who do you side with? I'll take Dantonio's and his staff 100% of the time.
Some of these guys don't even have affiliation with football past high school and we're trusting these guys to make reputable evaluations of these players!?
It doesn't matter if it's "dumb" or not. If you're giving out 1-stars or no-stars, you're just making up your own star system and doing statistics based on that, which is useless. If you're going to average out the star ratings of the All-B1G teams based on their ratings from a particular service, you have to use their ratings system.
Meh, I'm fine with him giving out 1 stars for non-rated prospects. Might skew it a little bit, but I think it's reasonable. The 0 star seems a bit much.
This post was edited by Metal_Sparty 17 months ago
No wonder Dantonio gets so pissed about the rankings. No wonder he hates the hype surrounding Michigan's "Dream Recruiting Class". It's all a bunch of hyped up false marketing.
Shane Morris played like a bum in his first games before he got mono. He couldn't handle the pressure versus top talent at the high school all-star game. Threw an interception and I believe he was sacked a couple times.
That kid is a combine player and will NOT be a stud at Michigan. Quote me.
Watch the film of the Detroit sound mind sound body camp.
Demetrius Cooper was the #1 stand out and Dennis Finley ran that combine from an OL standpoint. He's also the most fit and has the best frame for an NFL Line prospect in my opinion. Very Solid base.
David Dawson was too slow, and Tuley-Tillman is the biggest turd i've ever seen. He's a slow bubble butt with a punk attitude.
I can't wait for Hoke the "savior" to be ousted by his own fan base once his commits start falling through. I will be laughing my butt off when Hoke and the golden boys' ego finally gets grounded.
"This is Michigan" -Brady Joke
You're an idiot
I will say it again, we shouldn't even have 2-star recruits if everyone already starts out as one.
This post was edited by MSUHill 17 months ago
And really, that's basically saying that I'm a 2* prospect for football, automatically. Everyone on this board is a 2*...
Why do the videos keep showing some dude with dreads as Demetrius Cooper?
Edit: The second video is correct with the captions. In the first video, D. Cooper is "Khairi Bailey."
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by 2TimeSpartan 17 months ago
They got the names wrong.
Dawson is a total stud.
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