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  • A little OT, but still relevant to a recruiting thread IMO, from the ESPN B1G blog, number of draft picks in the past 10 years:

    1. Ohio State: 66 total draft picks
    2. Iowa: 42
    3. Nebraska: 41
    4. Michigan: 40
    5. Wisconsin: 39
    6. Penn State: 38
    7. Purdue: 27
    8. Michigan State: 25
    9. Illinois: 22
    10. Minnesota: 14
    11. Northwestern: 13
    12. Indiana: 12

    Eighth, IMO, is way too low for a program that wants to be contending for titles. I think we'll see MSU move up this list in the next few years, but those that clamor for 4/5 star talent have to realize this is a perception that MSU needs to change. The program really needs to move up into that second echelon (OSU is so far ahead of everyone else).

    This doesn't always mean a program is going to be successful (Miami, for example, pumps kids continually to the NFL and has been both a mediocre team and an NC in the past decade, so obviously coaching is a huge factor), but it certainly helps with recruiting by giving coaches credence when they talk about developing recruits. I think this year, with MSU having a half dozen or more kids drafted is what needs to continually happen.

    Thought this was interesting, and was initially a little surprised to see MSU so low on the list. Like I said though, the staff seems to be on the way to reversing that trend.

    GMSparty12

  • That is completely and utterly unsurprising in any way. We've had 1-3 guys drafted each year for many years going back. That doesn't add up to much.

    edit: people downvote for really, really stupid reasons

    This post was edited by chairman meow on 4/25/2012 at 8:22 PM

    chairman meow

  • chairman meow said...

    That is completely and utterly unsurprising in any way. We've had 1-3 guys drafted each year for many years going back. That doesn't add up to much.

    No? To be honest, I was a little surprised at the disparity between MSU and the rest of the B1G's top echelon. JLS may not have won a ton of games, but he put a few guys in the league. Also a little surprised to see Iowa ahead of PSU and UM. Testament to coaching though, especially on the lines.

    GMSparty12

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/michiganst/drafted.htm

    Side note: check out 1967. Four first-rounders.

    chairman meow

  • chairman meow said...

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/michiganst/drafted.htm

    Side note: check out 1967. Four first-rounders.

    More recently, 2000 was a really solid year as well.

    Taking a second look at that list and I guess you can see why MSU is lagging, the years they have low draft picks come a year or two after a coaching change. Makes a little more sense.

    GMSparty12

  • Looking ahead, I think it's safe to say in Dantonio's worst years he will put 2 or 3 guys in the league. This matches the pace of the previous 10 years.

    But now that MD is getting improved talent and winning, which lends national legitimacy to MSU, he will have years of sending 4, 5, and 6 players to the NFL via draft. 10 years of this would put MSU in the #2 to #4 range, if other schools maintain roughly similar rates.

    Lawre167

  • This might shape up to be a weird draft. In the past 4 or 5 it seems like the top 4 DT's are all going in the first round without question. This year there are some SS's going early, CB's, QB's, etc. eating up first round space for Jerel. McShay still has him going ot Cinci with I think their 25th pick, but he may slide. Kind of a shit deal for Jerel who is clearly first round talent.
    Additionally, this is my guess for our players draft order, flat out guess. Give me your thoughts.
    Jerel Worth-late 1st
    Kirk Cousins-early 3rd
    Keshawn-late 3rd
    Baker-4th
    Robinson-4th
    BJ-5th
    Linthicum-6th
    Celek-6th

    This post was edited by Skip1856 on 4/26/2012 at 9:56 AM

    Skip1856 ●

  • Skip1856 said...

    This might shape up to be a weird draft. In the past 4 or 5 it seems like the top 4 DT's are all going in the first round without question. This year there are some SS's going early, CB's, QB's, etc. eating up first round space for Jerel. McShay still has him going ot Cinci with I think their 25th pick, but he may slide. Kind of a shit deal for Jerel who is clearly first round talent. Additionally, this is my guess for our players draft order, flat out guess. Give me your thoughts. Jerel Worth-late 1st Kirk Cousins-early 3rd Keshawn-late 3rd Baker-4th Robinson-4th BJ-5th Linthicum-6th Celek-6th

    I will be the first to admit I don't follow the draft too closely, but you think Celek and Linthicum are going to get drafted? Didn't Gantt go undrafted? I would take Gantt over either of those 2.

    Martin Spartan

  • Martin Spartan said...

    I will be the first to admit I don't follow the draft too closely, but you think Celek and Linthicum are going to get drafted? Didn't Gantt go undrafted? I would take Gantt over either of those 2.

    Charlie Gantt was undeniably a fan favority because he was a workhorse and it felt like he never dropped a ball. The evaluation rankings showed both of our current TE's in the top ten at that position. That's just a guess, not sure if they'll both get drafted, maybe neither will, but they tested well at combine/pro day events and they both showed the ability to make catches. Sometimes it's the last impression and our TE's were unfrickin' believable in the bowl game against stiff competition.

    Skip1856 ●

  • Skip1856 said...

    Charlie Gantt was undeniably a fan favority because he was a workhorse and it felt like he never dropped a ball. The evaluation rankings showed both of our current TE's in the top ten at that position. That's just a guess, not sure if they'll both get drafted, maybe neither will, but they tested well at combine/pro day events and they both showed the ability to make catches. Sometimes it's the last impression and our TE's were unfrickin' believable in the bowl game against stiff competition.

    Linthicum reminds me alot of the Patriot's Gronkowski... I think Linthicum has great catching ability and good awareness of where to be on the field to get open for the Qb.

    Gantt was great, but I think Linthicum fits the mold of how NFL teams are using the TE now.

    BlondHairMinger

  • BlondHairMinger said...

    Linthicum reminds me alot of the Patriot's Gronkowski... I think Linthicum has great catching ability and good awareness of where to be on the field to get open for the Qb.

    Gantt was great, but I think Linthicum fits the mold of how NFL teams are using the TE now.

    Linthicum is definitely a more athletic, pass catching tight end that have seem to caught on recently in the league (Hernandez, Gronk, Graham, ect.). I would be surprised, albeit happy, if both Celek and Linthicum were drafted.

    I think realistically this year, MSU will have six guys drafted, with 2-3 more as UDFA. That's a pretty strong draft class.

    Remember, this is really Dantonio's first class, as 07 he didn't have a full recruiting cycle. That's a pretty good output into the league.

    My point in starting this thread is I think there was a correlation with draft picks and success in the B1G and how that can affect recruiting. Those type teams have been contenders pretty consistently over the past decade. Looking at the depth chart, I have every reason to believe MSU will continue this type of success.

    GMSparty12

  • From a PA site; Worthy and Cousins mention

    Thinking Big in the Big Ten: Offensive and defensive linemen the cream of the conference's crop in the 2012 NFL draft
    Published: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 6:00 AM
    By BOB FLOUNDERS, The Patriot-News

    Big men in the Big Ten. Many of the Big Ten Conference's best draft-eligible football players are linemen. Expect to see anywhere from 4-6 big fellas taken in Thursday's first round of the NFL draft. Several others figure to go during Friday's second round.

    DEFENSIVE LINE

    Names of note: Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus (6-3, 261), Michigan State DT Jerel Worthy (6-2, 308), Penn State DT Devon Still (6-5, 303).

    Comment: Worthy has impressive physical tools but did not have great production in college. Still, the late bloomer, generated 17 tackles for loss as a senior.huh

    QUARTERBACKS

    Names to remember: Michigan State's Kirk Cousins (6-3, 214), Wisconsin's Russell Wilson (5-11, 204).

    Comment: Cousins will never be confused with Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III or even Brandon Weeden for that matter. But he was a productive player for a long time in college and threw for 3,316 yards and 25 touchdowns as a senior. He figures to go in rounds 2-3.

    Photo Caption:
    Jerel Worthy tattooAP Photo/Al GoldisMichigan State defensive tackle Jerel Worthy couldn't match Penn State star Devon Still's production last fall but he may go ahead of him in the NFL draft.
    Linking Photo is not working Try this: http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2012/04/thinking_big_in_the_big_ten_co.html

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Spartan_in_PA on 4/26/2012 at 11:23 AM

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    blog.pennlive.com

    Spartan_in_PA ●

  • Skip1856 said...

    This might shape up to be a weird draft. In the past 4 or 5 it seems like the top 4 DT's are all going in the first round without question. This year there are some SS's going early, CB's, QB's, etc. eating up first round space for Jerel. McShay still has him going ot Cinci with I think their 25th pick, but he may slide. Kind of a shit deal for Jerel who is clearly first round talent.
    Additionally, this is my guess for our players draft order, flat out guess. Give me your thoughts.
    Jerel Worth-late 1st
    Kirk Cousins-early 3rd
    Keshawn-late 3rd
    Baker-4th
    Robinson-4th
    BJ-5th
    Linthicum-6th
    Celek-6th

    This is what I see and I hope for better.

    Worthy. Late 1st, early 2nd
    Cousins Late 2nd to anywhere in 3rd
    Keyshawn. 5th to in not drafted
    BJ. 5th to not drafted
    Baker 4th to 6th
    Robinson. 3 rd or 4th
    Lithium 5 th to not drafted

    I would love to see Keyshawn wind up in Detroit, I think he is much better then where I project, but I think this is the range he goes in. Lions could use a better KR and PR and Keyshawn could also be a solid 3 rd WR after Burleson leaves behind Calvin Johnson and Titus Young. That said there may be other guys with similar speed to fill that role.

    Jump111

  • Jump111 said...

    This is what I see and I hope for better.

    Worthy. Late 1st, early 2nd Cousins Late 2nd to anywhere in 3rd Keyshawn. 5th to in not drafted BJ. 5th to not drafted Baker 4th to 6th Robinson. 3 rd or 4th Lithium 5 th to not drafted

    I would love to see Keyshawn wind up in Detroit, I think he is much better then where I project, but I think this is the range he goes in. Lions could use a better KR and PR and Keyshawn could also be a solid 3 rd WR after Burleson leaves behind Calvin Johnson and Titus Young. That said there may be other guys with similar speed to fill that role.

    I agree with you, there is certainly a chance neither of our two WR's get drafted. Celek may not go but I think Linthicum has the hands and athleticism to appeal to any team in the later rounds. Also agree Baker minimum 4th. My brother brought up a good point about his vision, size, speed, etc. and he hates the green and white. He even went so far as to say Lions in the 3rd and he would be stoked. Saw Kiper's retarded Detroit picking up the mini RB from Boise with our second pick, dude needs to wash the gel out of his head. Dude falls in love with, and pushes a complete buster every year.

    Skip1856 ●

  • Jerel Worth-late 1st
    Kirk Cousins-mid 2nd
    Keshawn-late 3rd
    Baker-4th / 5th
    Robinson-4th / 5th
    BJ - 6th
    Linthicum-7th
    Celek-UDFA

    Rook ●

  • Spartan_in_PA said...

    From a PA site; Worthy and Cousins mention

    Thinking Big in the Big Ten: Offensive and defensive linemen the cream of the conference's crop in the 2012 NFL draft Published: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 6:00 AM By BOB FLOUNDERS, The Patriot-News

    Big men in the Big Ten. Many of the Big Ten Conference's best draft-eligible football players are linemen. Expect to see anywhere from 4-6 big fellas taken in Thursday's first round of the NFL draft. Several others figure to go during Friday's second round.

    DEFENSIVE LINE

    Names of note: Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus (6-3, 261), Michigan State DT Jerel Worthy (6-2, 308), Penn State DT Devon Still (6-5, 303).

    Comment: Worthy has impressive physical tools but did not have great production in college. Still, the late bloomer, generated 17 tackles for loss as a senior.huh

    QUARTERBACKS

    Names to remember: Michigan State's Kirk Cousins (6-3, 214), Wisconsin's Russell Wilson (5-11, 204).

    Comment: Cousins will never be confused with Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III or even Brandon Weeden for that matter. But he was a productive player for a long time in college and threw for 3,316 yards and 25 touchdowns as a senior. He figures to go in rounds 2-3.

    Photo Caption: Jerel Worthy tattooAP Photo/Al GoldisMichigan State defensive tackle Jerel Worthy couldn't match Penn State star Devon Still's production last fall but he may go ahead of him in the NFL draft. Linking Photo is not working Try this: http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2012/04/thinking_big_in_the_big_ten_co.html

    Yea, a DT that has 17 TFL in a year is a top 10 draft pick. He had 27.5 in his career, 10.5 this past season. Not sure where they got those #s from.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 4/26/2012 at 2:52 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • My Prediction :
    Jerel Worthy to the Green Packers in Round One.

    CoachedByDuffy

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, a DT that has 17 TFL in a year is a top 10 draft pick. He had 27.5 in his career, 10.5 this past season. Not sure where they got those #s from.

    Devon Still had those #s. nerd

    This post was edited by tepmurt14 on 4/26/2012 at 4:31 PM

    tepmurt14

  • Nitro Biscuits said...

    Packers run a 3-4. Worthy is tailor made for a 4-3 team that relies on quickness and penetration from the under tackle.

    The Packers have been in contact with Jerel.
    Nuff Said.

    CoachedByDuffy

  • So has Denver. Worthy to Denver Round 1 - Captn Kirk to Denver Round 2.

    Rook ●

  • CoachedByDuffy said...

    The Packers have been in contact with Jerel. Nuff Said.

    Other teams probably have too. DTs will go higher than they are mocked. Imo a disruptive DT like Jerel will be an enticing pick.

    Macks ●

  • Macks said...

    Other teams probably have too. DTs will go higher than they are mocked. Imo a disruptive DT like Jerel will be an enticing pick.

    Only one team has contacted Coach D about Jerel. Guess who ?
    Green Bay.
    If he's there when they pick, they will take him.
    Mock drafts and the talking heads don't know crap.

    This post was edited by CoachedByDuffy on 4/26/2012 at 7:02 PM

    CoachedByDuffy

  • CoachedByDuffy said...

    Only one team has contacted Coach D about Jerel. Guess who ? Green Bay. If he's there when they pick, they will take him. Mock drafts and the talking heads don't know crap.

    That's different then lol. You said they've contacted Jerel. In any case, I think he still might go earlier than GB. You can never have enough studs on the interior DL.

    Macks ●

  • Jerel Up-Date :
    The NFL Network has a camera crew at Jerel's home tonight.
    Something could be up.

    CoachedByDuffy

  • I hope something is up. Few teams left that need a (4-3) DT.

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