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Are YOU better off now than three years ago?

  • We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.

    We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?

    Here are the questions:
    - Are you employed now?
    - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years?
    - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years?
    - Have you been promoted / demoted?
    - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation)
    - Has your benefits package changed substantially?
    - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average?
    To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.

    doc_spartan ●

  • Yes
    No
    Down
    No
    No
    Yes
    ?

    This post was edited by RQA on 5/19/2012 at 10:59 AM

    RQA

  • doc_spartan said...

    We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.

    We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?

    Here are the questions: - Are you employed now? - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years? - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years? - Have you been promoted / demoted? - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.

    Same job the last 10 years
    Gross sales (funding) gone downhill - public school teacher
    Salary stagnant
    Benefits cost more and provide less

    House worth less
    2 used cars (paid off)
    2 kids who need college assistance

    Better off - no. Could be worse - much.

    Who knows? But I believe the Pres has a better understanding of my situation than Mitt

    Nimrod

  • - Are you employed now?...Yes
    - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years?...No
    - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years?...projected net sales of $34B 2012 vs $20B for 2009
    - Have you been promoted / demoted? Promoted twice
    - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) Increased double digit percentage.
    - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - No, but in 2005 "ish" we changed to to a high deductable insurance plan which most employees view as a take away
    - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? - last year the company paid out 180% of short term incentive bonus target

    This post was edited by doc_spartan on 5/19/2012 at 10:56 AM

    doc_spartan ●

  • Nimrod said...

    Who knows? But I believe the Pres has a better understanding of my situation than Mitt

    So you are worse off, but as the "Pres" "understands" you better you will vote for him again.

    Typical union mentality.

    RQA

  • RQA said...

    So you are worse off, but as the "Pres" "understands" you better you will vote for him again.

    Typical union mentality.

    You're funny - give yourself a tax break, wreak havoc on my funding, then blame me for the results (your child's education).

    Nimrod

  • Why are you leaving out retirement accumulation and housing value?

    spartanMF

  • spartanMF said...

    Why are you leaving out retirement accumulation and housing value?

    Not intentional...those would be good adds.

    Housing would be tricky for me because we've moved and upgraded. I would have lost about 10% on the previous house, but the company made me whole.

    My retirement accumulation is larger....not sure about percentage, and it's difficult to say what would have happened without constant contribution.....

    doc_spartan ●

  • I'm doing well financially, and President Obama has kept my family safe. I'm also leery of putting another trickle-down Republican in the White House...

    attachment

    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • "4 more years! 4 more years! It could be worse!"
    Can't wait for the chant at the DNC convention

    lars

  • Nimrod said...

    Same job the last 10 years Gross sales (funding) gone downhill - public school teacher Salary stagnant Benefits cost more and provide less

    House worth less 2 used cars (paid off) 2 kids who need college assistance

    Better off - no. Could be worse - much.

    Who knows? But I believe the Pres has a better understanding of my situation than Mitt

    Pretty sad that you actually think the President of the United States can miraculously help your self apparent sad situation. Worse, is your negativeness, victim mentality and attitude you probably bring in the classroom. If you are looking for a hand out - do us all a favor - and get out of teaching mush and be a Maker - not a taker.

    Greenrocks

  • doc_spartan said...

    We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.

    We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?

    Here are the questions:
    - Are you employed now?
    - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years?
    - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years?
    - Have you been promoted / demoted?
    - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation)
    - Has your benefits package changed substantially?
    - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average?
    To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.

    Yes
    No
    Yes
    No
    No
    30%

    Overall yes things are much much better than when President Obama took office.

    Lurking on tRCMB since 1996

    TrapperGus

  • Greenrocks said...

    Pretty sad that you actually think the President of the United States can miraculously help your self apparent sad situation. Worse, is your negativeness, victim mentality and attitude you probably bring in the classroom. If you are looking for a hand out - do us all a favor - and get out of teaching mush and be a Maker - not a taker.

    Are you making things up about Nimrod's post, or did my internet connection somehow drop the parts where he said the President can miraculously help him, he thinks he's a victim, he's looking for a handout, and he brings that attitude into the classroom? Because I didn't see any of that.

    "Be a Maker - not a taker." You, Sir or Ma'am, are a dork.

    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • RQA said...

    Yes No Down No No Yes ?

    loser

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • doc_spartan said...

    We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.

    We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?

    Here are the questions: - Are you employed now? - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years? - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years? - Have you been promoted / demoted? - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.

    Yes
    no
    Steady
    Promoted
    Increased -17% or so
    No, but it's great
    No bonuses
    Note: My employer also paid for my grad degree.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • Greenrocks said...

    Pretty sad that you actually think the President of the United States can miraculously help your self apparent sad situation. Worse, is your negativeness, victim mentality and attitude you probably bring in the classroom. If you are looking for a hand out - do us all a favor - and get out of teaching mush and be a Maker - not a taker.

    Golly - who is the negative one? You don't know me or my commitment to the career. My point was that I felt the Pres seems a little bit more aware of the needs of the middle class. My sad situation? I am content with my life and full of hope. No hand out needed here, except for your children. And no animosity towards you. We'll just keep workin on your people skills :)

    Nimrod

  • Why doesn't the pres and liberals go after big education then? You have two that need assistance and I will have one soon. I was looking at tuition costs today at several universities. Holy shit. I thought it was high when I was at state.

    And to answer the questions...
    Still trying to stay in business.

    This post was edited by Carolina Sparty on 5/19/2012 at 3:04 PM

    Carolina Sparty

  • RQA said...

    So you are worse off, but as the "Pres" "understands" you better you will vote for him again.

    Typical union mentality.

    Don't your lips ever get chapped from kissing so much ass?

    GRR Spartan

  • Carolina Sparty said...

    Why doesn't the pres and liberals go after big education then? You have two that need assistance and I will have one soon. I was looking at tuition costs today at several universities. Holy shit. I thought it was high when I was at state.

    And to answer the questions... Still trying to stay in business.

    Would be nice if we could just address the problems, but folk like to paint it as one entity against the other. I acknowledge this is just a small part of the problem in higher ed and politics, but is what's happening now. Did not mean to derail the thread :)

    http://news.yahoo.com/student-loan-changes-know-now-145926329.html

    Nimrod

  • I was promoted and my employment is secure. I would receive higher bonuses if the economy was better. My house value has not gone up, and I put money into it, so thats a loss. I dump money into my 401K, not sure where that is going.

    This post was edited by spartanMF on 5/19/2012 at 4:47 PM

    spartanMF

  • Much better off now but that has nothing to do with Barry and everything to do with finishing professional school and the wifeys residency. Barry would love nothing more than to cut our pay and raise our taxes.

    MSUx2

  • lars said...

    "4 more years! 4 more years! It could be worse!" Can't wait for the chant at the DNC convention

    come on man....answer the questions!

    doc_spartan ●

  • Nimrod said...

    You're funny - give yourself a tax break, wreak havoc on my funding, then blame me for the results (your child's education).

    Wreak havoc??? Are you effin serious??? The US spends 2k more annually than any other country yet rank 9th in math and science. If you don't think teacher's should accept responsibility for this that's one thing. But don't go blaming it on the gov't for lack of funding when other countries exhibit the ability to do much more with much less

    U.S. Education Spending & Student Performance vs. The World Infographic | MAT@USC

    An informative infographic that compares the U.S. education spending and performance versus the rest of the world. See how your country stacks up.

    mat.usc.edu

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    Wreak havoc??? Are you effin serious??? The US spends 2k more annually than any other country yet rank 9th in math and science. If you don't think teacher's should accept responsibility for this that's one thing. But don't go blaming it on the gov't for lack of funding when other countries exhibit the ability to do much more with much less

    Very well then - more tax breaks for the wealthy, and less funding for all of the public services you expect and think you deserve. You get what you invest in. You're funny as well - vitriol and all - I'll just take my pay cuts and do the best I can for your kids :)

    Nimrod

  • Greenrocks said...

    Pretty sad that you actually think the President of the United States can miraculously help your self apparent sad situation. Worse, is your negativeness, victim mentality and attitude you probably bring in the classroom. If you are looking for a hand out - do us all a favor - and get out of teaching mush and be a Maker - not a taker.

    All the Republican replies in this thread are a perfect example of why things will never improve. During the past several months of republican primaries, the right railed against Romney and spoke of how out of touch he is, how his policies change based on who is asking the questions, but now that 'your side' has picked its nominee, you guys will do anything to 'win' regardless of whether those things will be beneficial to the health of the country and despite the fact that you despised Romney only a few months ago.

    I am not very happy with Obama (whom i did not vote for). I'm even less happy with congress, and yet even more unhappy with the ideological and corporate hijacking of the government.

    Why can't we seriously discuss policies and governmental and economic theory based on prior usage and results and then choose the candidate which alligns himself most closely with those ideals? Everything now is either a popularity contest or a $ contest, but the truth of the matter is, the people will never be the winners in either of those.

    What is the purpose of posting here, when there can be no rational discourse? Can't we take a few deep breaths and then talk like we are all Spartans, all humans, and most likely on a personal basis, all pretty good people?

    We may disagree over many things, but in the past we were always able to hash things out like adults, make compromises, and move forward. Aren't you guys sick of how politics has turned into an all or nothing forum, where compromise is seen as a detriment?

    Roger Waters

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