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All the Republican replies in this thread are a perfect example of why things will never improve. During the past several months of republican primaries, the right railed against Romney and spoke of how out of touch he is, how his policies change based on who is asking the questions, but now that 'your side' has picked its nominee, you guys will do anything to 'win' regardless of whether those things will be beneficial to the health of the country and despite the fact that you despised Romney only a few months ago.
I am not very happy with Obama (whom i did not vote for). I'm even less happy with congress, and yet even more unhappy with the ideological and corporate hijacking of the government.
Why can't we seriously discuss policies and governmental and economic theory based on prior usage and results and then choose the candidate which alligns himself most closely with those ideals? Everything now is either a popularity contest or a $ contest, but the truth of the matter is, the people will never be the winners in either of those.
What is the purpose of posting here, when there can be no rational discourse? Can't we take a few deep breaths and then talk like we are all Spartans, all humans, and most likely on a personal basis, all pretty good people?
We may disagree over many things, but in the past we were always able to hash things out like adults, make compromises, and move forward. Aren't you guys sick of how politics has turned into an all or nothing forum, where compromise is seen as a detriment?
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Very well then - more tax breaks for the wealthy, and less funding for all of the public services you expect and think you deserve. You get what you invest in. You're funny as well - vitriol and all - I'll just take my pay cuts and do the best I can for your kids :)
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We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.
We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?
Here are the questions: - Are you employed now? - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years? - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years? - Have you been promoted / demoted? - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.
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We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.
We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?
Here are the questions: - Are you employed now? - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years? - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years? - Have you been promoted / demoted? - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.
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doc has joined the GOP question panel
maybe doc should ask himself if he wants to turn the wheel back over to the same corporate ass worshipping clowns who drove the bus into the ditch in the first place.
Romney gets elected my kids student loans jump
I have to buy a separate health insurance policy for the kid in college
Prices are still free market or in the case of oil and gas when ever they damned please. They are already rising.
Since the new tax cut nirvana how many folks have seen their wages grow. Wages have been stagnant for a decade.
Bonus? More upper level hourly have been flipped to salary to avoid overtime. What bonus?
Company 401K plans have made most pensions a memory just like company participation in thr 401Kdoc_spartan
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This thread caught my interest (as you can see I don't post much), but there seems to be too much information and too many variables to extrapolate a consensus from the data. Ex:
My net worth has gone down (house) but I don't plan on moving anytime soon. My income goes down each year due to rising health care/retirement costs, yet I love my job and don't plan on leaving it. Many of the decisions our leaders have made I believe have had a negative impact on our society, yet I remain positive about the captain of the boat.
Continue on with the survey, but I will start a new and simpler thread with your assistance that may help cut to the chase. Just a few questions, such as:
Are you currently financially stable Are you content with your life/socioeconomic status Who will you vote for
What 3 questions would you ask?
"No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio
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Nimrod said...
This thread caught my interest (as you can see I don't post much), but there seems to be too much information and too many variables to extrapolate a consensus from the data. Ex:
My net worth has gone down (house) but I don't plan on moving anytime soon. My income goes down each year due to rising health care/retirement costs, yet I love my job and don't plan on leaving it. Many of the decisions our leaders have made I believe have had a negative impact on our society, yet I remain positive about the captain of the boat.
Continue on with the survey, but I will start a new and simpler thread with your assistance that may help cut to the chase. Just a few questions, such as:
Are you currently financially stable Are you content with your life/socioeconomic status Who will you vote for
What 3 questions would you ask?
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Canadian schools don't need some of the other services required of American schools because their social safety net that include Provencial health care for all. Also means their school budgets aren't having a large portion sliced off for personnel's health coverage.
Don't worry fallenschtick, soon the US spending on education will match US performance with other countries or worse if the folks you will be voting for in November get their way.
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Interesting, so American teachers aren't motivated enough to provide top quality teaching or are you saying the talent pool isn't as rich to choose from because the best teachers that might be available are doing other work that pays more?
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I have a question for you. If you have a contract with your employer that spells out your job responsibilities, your salary and benefits and you go to work with the attitude you are being treated well you will do a good job won't you? Now what if your boss decides he needs more money for himself so he breaches the contract, and lowers your salary and benefits, but increases your responsibilities? Do you think that might affect your attitude? If you say no, you are a liar.
This is what teachers face every day. High expectations in their job performance, but being demonized for expecting to be paid fairly for their efforts. I don't understand the mentality of people like you who want to bid out the education of the younger generation to the lowest bidder. I hate to break it to you, but when you expect a good job, you should expect to pay the price. You want A+ education for kids at F- prices. Maybe idiots like you should stop demeaning and start valuing those that are attempting to educate our kids instead of constantly blaming them for your personal shortcomings
And no, I am not and have never been a teacher.
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We all have our philisophical points of view relative to the economic approach taken by this administration and previous administrations.
We all speculate how the economy impacts the citizens of the US, but we know intimately how it affects us personally. How about we add our own personal facts to the equation?
Here are the questions: - Are you employed now? - Have you lost your means of employment at any time during the last four years? - How has your company's gross sales changed over the last four years? - Have you been promoted / demoted? - How has your base salary changed? (exclude bonuses, exclude stock options, exclude benefits, do not adjust for inflation) - Has your benefits package changed substantially? - What has been the % of target bonus pay out for your company on average? To the extent you are self employed approximate the answers as best you can. If you are retired some of these questions apply, some do not. If you haven't entered the workforce yet skip adding your data.
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US ranks: 14th Reading 25th Math 17th Science
US education spending per child $7,743 ranking #1 ( I know the graph is hard to see..but the big purple circle is US spending per child and the much smaller circles are other countries).
Pretty poor ratings for A+ spending on education.
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Yeah, but most of the money doesn't go towards teacher salaries which have been stagnant at best, and falling overall. The administrators on the other hand have seen huge salary boosts. Plus there is a lot of the funds being channeled into areas other than academics. More money than ever is being spent on sports programs, money that used to go to the real purpose of schools, educating in the class rooms.
The falling standards are not because teachers can't or won't teach. It's because to many outside and ill informed people make decisions about what can be taught and how. Way way way too much time is spent teaching to mandated tests instead of actual teaching for education. The elimination of idiotic testing, the MEAP in Michigan for example, would allow teachers the time they need to actually teach the kids what they need to learn. That isn't possible because so much pressure is placed on teachers and students to score well on the stupid mandated state tests that learn takes a back seat. That is the real problem and the cause of the decline in education standings. dubya's no child left behind program was and is a huge waste of time and money. And it was forced into being by conservatives with one goal in mind. To make money for the test developers.
So yes, a lot of money is spent per pupil. But the majority of it isn't spent ON TEACHING the students. It's spent enriching outside interests.
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