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AtlantaMSU said...
Why does NOBODY call out the Catholic Church on the fact that they accept religious tax breaks, charity tax breaks and funding assistance, etc from the government and then freak out when that government expects concessions in return? You really expect to make a deal with the devil and never face the consequences?
At first glance during this debate, I supported the Catholics. You know, religious freedom and all that. But then I realized this, and my support tempered. If the Catholics renounce all tax breaks and government funding for their schools, THEN they have the right to do whatever they please.
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AtlantaMSU said...
Why does NOBODY call out the Catholic Church on the fact that they accept religious tax breaks, charity tax breaks and funding assistance, etc from the government and then freak out when that government expects concessions in return? You really expect to make a deal with the devil and never face the consequences?
At first glance during this debate, I supported the Catholics. You know, religious freedom and all that. But then I realized this, and my support tempered. If the Catholics renounce all tax breaks and government funding for their schools, THEN they have the right to do whatever they please.
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AtlantaMSU said...
So, it's not hypocritical to accept tax breaks from the snake that is the federal government and then act ASTONISHED when the regulations start to happen? They really expected to make a deal that is too good to be true with the federal effing government?
Btw, I still don't support the contraception mandate at all. My view just shifted to more of a 'fuck both sides', although I definitely don't believe that the government can tell what employers must cover on their health insurance. And, have no problem with Catholics at all. My reaction would be the same whether this involved Catholics, Muslims, Lutherans, Baptists, or atheists.
This post was edited by Tanfan on 6/11/2012 at 9:14 PM
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A few weeks ago Roman Catholic churches in the Seattle area with encouragement of their bishop set up tents on the church grounds just outside of the front entrances for their parishoners to sign petitions to enable businesses to remove birth control from health insurance. Not just churches but any business owner.
To me that's crossing the line. Those churches made a cogent decision to become poltical on their property. They should lose their non-taxable status. Start paying property taxes to their community and so on.
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GRR Spartan said...
A few weeks ago Roman Catholic churches in the Seattle area with encouragement of their bishop set up tents on the church grounds just outside of the front entrances for their parishoners to sign petitions to enable businesses to remove birth control from health insurance. Not just churches but any business owner.
To me that's crossing the line. Those churches made a cogent decision to become poltical on their property. They should lose their non-taxable status. Start paying property taxes to their community and so on.
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AtlantaMSU said...
Why does NOBODY call out the Catholic Church on the fact that they accept religious tax breaks, charity tax breaks and funding assistance, etc from the government and then freak out when that government expects concessions in return? You really expect to make a deal with the devil and never face the consequences?
At first glance during this debate, I supported the Catholics. You know, religious freedom and all that. But then I realized this, and my support tempered. If the Catholics renounce all tax breaks and government funding for their schools, THEN they have the right to do whatever they please.
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WixomSpartan said...
Spend some time with your local Catholic church. See what the members do day in and day out for the less fortunate in their community. Then come back and tell us about their hypocrisy...
Vatican Reprimands U.S. Nuns Group - NYTimes.com
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious has “serious doctrinal problems,” the church said as it appointed an American bishop to rein the group in.
www.nytimes.com Cardinal Timothy Dolan Allegedly Paid Suspected Pedophile Priests To Leave Ministry While Head Of Archdiocese Of Milwaukee
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- The Archdiocese of Milwaukee confirmed Wednesday that it had a policy to pay suspected pedophile priests to leave the ministry. The acknowledgement was prompted by a document made public by abuse victims who accepted a return to the laity.
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Bob Sakimano said...
no.. are there documented cases of teacher-on pupil-rape where teachers aren't investigated and (if deemed necessary) charged accordingly?
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Enrico Palazzo said...
you mean like the Vatican reprimanding nuns for engaging in social justice activities, or leadership, including the head of the Catholic Church in American paying off pedophile priests?
Yes, the LEADERSHIP of the Catholic Church is hypocrites.
Of course, this whole opposition to contraception would be moot if young boys could get pregnant.
Like you give a crap how the Vatican treats a Catholic religious order...
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'Now, on the heels of the Catholic abuse scandal comes another of historic proportions—one that has the potential to be much greater and far-reaching. According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.
Charol Shakeshaft, the Hofstra University scholar who prepared the report, said the number of abuse cases—which range from unwanted sexual comments to rape—could be much higher. Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."'
Sexual abuse of children is horrible no matter who does it. Every case should be prosecuted without bias. I would hope we all could agree on that...
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Catholic Church's hypocrisy re: contraception