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Forget Belgium, please explain the following quote (I ripped from Cosmo's post on the first page) to me in terms that do not bring me to the conclusion that there is a very big problem with violence(murder, in particular) in the African Americans community. Remember that African Americans make up only 13.1% of US population.
"A 2007 special report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, reveals that approximately 8,000 — and, in certain years, as many as 9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States. This chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that 93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks. The analysis, supported by FBI records, finds that in 2005 alone, for example, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in the US — again, almost exclusively at the hands of other African Americans."
"This board would be great if it weren't for all the posters. ." -- AA Spartan 12/16/11
1) It's not that simple -- you guys are claiming this is "hard data" or some BS like that -- so it's not forgotten -- defend that fucking claim.
2) More directly, regarding your post above -- you still have a problem with the data -- there are other countries where black people are not killing each other (where the murder rates are lower than that of the white population of this country, in fact). Interestingly, one thing those black populations don't have in common with the black population in our country is the history of oppression etc. You think maybe that has something to do with it? Maybe just a slight connection? You think maybe there's some work to be done, and that work might not entail singing the praises of our white population and Belgium's white population? Or are you just a racist fuck yourself?
Just an FYI, but Ann Coulter has never been, "right on the money," with anything in her life.
This post was edited by GTASpartan87 18 months ago
"No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio
1. I quoted a specific statistic, if you have some other info that has yet to come to light about that statistic, I'd be happy to see it.
2. I said forget about Belgium, I don't care about it, I care about what's happening in our country. Blacks are killing themselves at an alarming rate when compared to the population as a whole, in a country where too many people are getting murdered of all races. It's shocking and I can't understand why there is not a huge outcry over this senseless loss of life.
Do you believe Blacks should be held to a different standard and killing each other is acceptable? I don't and I don't buy the oppression excuse. Many of the cities where these crimes occur (Detroit?) are and have been controlled by Black (Democratic) politicians, whose oppressing who?
Sure there are still racists assholes out there, but I believe far and away the bigger problem today is the "soft bigotry of lowered expectations" from excuse makers, black and white, like you.
I stated earlier in the thread, we have a cultural problem where violence and death are tolerated in some parts of our society and that it's a complicated problem to address, along with the mental patients that should be institutionalized but have no where to go, but let's just outlaw a few guns, because that's easy, and pat ourselves on the back for a job well done.
Really? Okay, What conclusions do these stats logically infer?
Walter Williams provides his perspective on race and crime. As an economist, he uses inconvenient (for the politically-correct and race-baiters) numbers to make his points in an article which asks whether black people should tolerate this:
Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 percent figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks. Though blacks are 13 percent of the nation’s population, they account for more than 50 percent of homicide victims. Nationally, black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it’s 22 times that of whites. Coupled with being most of the nation’s homicide victims, blacks are most of the victims of violent personal crimes, such as assault and robbery.
The magnitude of this tragic mayhem can be viewed in another light. According to a Tuskegee Institute study, between the years 1882 and 1968, 3,446 blacks were lynched at the hands of whites. Black fatalities during the Korean War (3,075), Vietnam War (7,243) and all wars since 1980 (8,197) come to 18,515, a number that pales in comparison with black loss of life at home. It’s a tragic commentary to be able to say that young black males have a greater chance of reaching maturity on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan than on the streets of Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Newark and other cities.
1. Hannity/Coulter spouted some racist crap about Belgium's white population and our white population. Viggo posted it here. I tore it apart with simple data points and logic. You replied saying "forget about Belgium". So I repeat -- it's not forgotten -- defend that crap, or disown it.
2. You want to discuss cultural issues with black communities in the US -- you think this is the thread to do it in?? You think a thread started with a racist fucking rant, by two racists, proudly posted by a third racist, is the place to do that?? Because the ground work was set so wonderfully for a level-headed discussion on cultural issues? What kind of a fucking idiot are you?? Call out the fucking racists -- and start a different thread you idiot. Don't fucking defend racists.
So you can't defend what Hannity / Coulter were saying praising our white population to the skies, comparing them with wonderful pure whites of Belgium, so now you want to be all insightful and look into issues affecting our black communities?
If you were genuinely interested in that discussion, then start a thread. Don't come here defending racist claims made by poster-boy racists, and then claim like you give a fuck about black people.
The stats you give don't fit the liberal agenda.
That's because lefties live in fantasy utopia land. Logic and reality are irrelevant and very inconvenient. ..
lol at your white guilt
The word racist is thrown around so much it is practically meaningless. The targets of the insult are no longer being cowed by it because it has been diluted by it's ubiquity
. "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal." -- Peter Brimelow
The word racist has a very specific meaning. So are you saying that Coulter, Hannity, Viggo, or anyone who discusses obvious problems within a group or cultural subset of society (ie: inner city young black males) are racists...which in this case would make them white supremacists?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Adm Spinebender 18 months ago
first of all, the latest discussion regarding "gun control" has absolutely nothing to do with concern about crime in our urban centers or in our black communities. it also has nothing to do with "criminal on criminal" crime, either. it is not just a problem of the black community tolerating violence and death, we as an American society continue to tolerate violence and death in our urban centers because we are just plain too chickenshit to man up and face the issues head on (which requires a fair amount of soul-searching both within and without the black community).
second of all, and I've posted it before, crime rates are significantly higher in the Native American community, as well. there is a corollary there, if you bother to consider it - our black communities have become de facto reservations, and have been that way for several decades. the hows and why are of course complex and the issues are intertwined, but how we got here is far less important than what we do to fix it. it is not just a function of "white" oppression (since Detroit and Washington DC are both examples of black elected officials screwing and profiting off of the black community), but there is no question that we have an institutionalized system that continues to treat our urban centers as DMZ's where only a truly remarkable and incredibly persistent individual will ever find their way out.
Coulter's statement is just plain stupid, although the comparison to Belgium is perfect because the Belgians are the most racist people in Europe (and that is really saying something, btw, Europe remains an incredibly racist continent). Coulter has no interest whatsoever in encouraging a serious and honest discussion about the issue, she is just pushing the hot button of pigheaded and ignorant people who are looking for a public figure to provide affirmation of the righteousness of their ignorance.
I think we should take some of these people, and send 'em up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.
So you still have no explanation for why hannity/coulter cherry picked their data across racial lines? You have nothing to refute the simple facts I showed that proved their data was cherry picked? You want to quote stupid people and argue semantics between racists and white supremacists instead?
Trust me dude -- I'm laughing at your pathetic ass.
Which is why the new head of the NAACP calling young professional black men uncle toms is a racist piece of garbage and by saying that he's only perpetuating anger and contempt by folks in the white community. A black man was elected twice to be president. It took white votes to get there. Times are changing and he's calling for the black power salute. It isn't 1968 anymore. He's still living in the past like rob Parker. He's hasn't evolved like the rest of the country is trying to do except the rightwing party.
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