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I watched the returns all night on CNN. When they projected OH and the election to Obama, I immediately switched over to Fox to get their take. It was like bizarro-world in an alternate reality. From Rove breathlessly refusing to concede, to the hike over to the decision desk to cross examine the "experts," to the psychiatrist coming on screen to offer to prescribe anti-depressants to anyone who contacted him, I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was like an SNL skit.
i respectfully disagree.
That's the biggest problem in today's politics. When a party comes into Congress with the mindset of "#1 Priority is to ensure the sitting President is a 1-term President" and not "We need to work together to fix this country", it's a big problem. In the end, the two sides have to come together to, you know, govern the nation. The stalemate that's gone on for most of the past 4 years has done way more harm than good. Yes, Obama wasn't able to get as much done as he wanted . . . and the country kind of twiddled its thumbs as a result.
There are very real problems that need to be addressed in the next 4 years, namely the national debt, which is obviously tied to the economy. Spinning the wheels so that you hope the current guy looks so bad that your party takes over in 4 years is hurtful to the country as a whole, not to mention ignoring the duty you have as an elected official to govern.
Both sides need to realize that fighting in the halls of Congress is really hurting this country. I lean left, but have 0 problems with the philosophy of fiscal responsibility; I think most rational people understand that you have to take in more than you spend to cut into the deficit. To me, that means taking a very hard look not only at failing social programs, but also the Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security system and the military, which make up the greatest portion of the budget (I believe non Medicare/Social Sec. social programs are around 15% total). You also have to raise more revenue somewhere, and yes, that means more taxes.
It took decades to put us in this hole and it's not going to take just 5 minutes to dig us back out. The longer both sides wait, the worse things are going to get. There are some very hard truths that politicians have been circumventing, in large part because Social Sec. and Medicare affect the part of the populace with the highest voter turn-out. It's not going to be popular to affect those programs, but that's the price you pay. It's my hope with Obama being a 2nd term president, he can push for the "right" thing vs. the "popular" thing when it comes to the economy.
Sorry for the rant, I rarely get political on here, just my thoughts in general.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 20 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I flipped over to Fox as other networks were calling the race for Obama, simply because I knew it would have some comedic value.
The whole "march down the hall and demand answers" thing seemed to be scripted, but the physician offering to prescribe anti-depressants was unintentionally hilarious, as was Karl Rove blathering on about how Ohio shouldn't be called yet was enjoyable.
The seething hatred for Obama that is constantly spewed on that channel never ceases to amaze me.
I think a better phrasing would be that the support to (via the argument) issues usually aren't as truthful or accurate.
There's a lot of twisting and mental gymnastics that happen in order to to justify some positions-- see the rape is god's gift type of argument.
I'm cool with everyone having a nuanced position that has many different facets that may not be a cohesive philosophy (read contradictory), but I want those people to admit it beforehand.
Hey Rocky: Social Security is self-funded through FICA taxes and does not contribute to the debt. Do not concede that our social programs are "failing."
and that about says it all....
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The issue with SS is that the FICA taxes won't be enough to handle the Boomer generation. It's not an issue at this precise moment, but I think there are only 2-3 workers supporting each SS beneficiary vs. dozens in the 40's and 50's. The model isn't sustainable.
I have acquaintances that have totally fucked up thier financial lives, while earning great money, and gotten upside down on their mortgage, only to be able to just walk away. Without any financial recourse. That's fucked up. This has happened at the expense of those of us who made good decisions and didn't over spend on motorcyles and Jetskiis and cars.
My business has been largely choked out by the government that thinks it's regulators are smarter than those in my industry. This applies to a LOT of industries. Energy and exploration and drilling for gas and oil and transport are a good example. A Natural gas Pipeline network, which is VERY much needed thing throughout our contry, will be an impossible task in this country because of regulation.
Lawyers are around every corner lookign to sue anyone with any money for any cause. ANY cause. Litigation caps are non existant or ridiculously high. This is very very costly. When a shopping cart or a curb in a parking lot or ice on steps is there-watch your fucking step rather than look to sue the first person you can think of.
The medical industry is crippled by lawyers. Health care costs are huge because of malpractice insurance and red tape and regulations that require so many more employees than are necessary for everything BUT medicine and care. Don't even get me started on the cost and time required to get new good drugs to market. Again, largely because the government knows better. If I'm willing to try something, I ought to have the right. Right now.
Jails and prisons are like fucking hotels. TVs in prison? Internet? Free education? Fock that. it's prison! The cost of getting someone on Death row killed is even more ridiculous than the time it takes to make it happen. This pussification is expensive. The courts and prosecutors have to work their asses off and spend Millions of dollars and then the decision is somehow moot?
Hard work at schools by good students is also not rewarded. Every kid gets a ribbon and they all have to get good grades. The good students get the same rewards as the bad students. Every kid is smart. Every parent that fucked up and got on drugs or drank too much while pregant gets to have little Jimmy rewarded with thier own special education for life. You think that's a little bit expensive? And who pays for it? And who works on the super-smart kids who want to learn more and go invent something cool? Umm..nobody. This really creates a real world experience, doesn't it.
Speaking of the health care industry..how about all the fat asses and sick people who decided to smoke all their lives and sit on their couch every night and get up over 350, only to have to have treatment forever for their heart conditions, the stroke they had at 45, etc? What do those of us who kept ourselves in good health get? We get to pay for the other fockers..and be sure they live to the very last day, because the technology is there to do so. That's focking expensive shit right there.
Need I go on?
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I also love how the right wingers on here all talk about how they read, investigate, and cover all sides of a question before making an intellectual decision; but if someone disagrees with their decision, then that person is just a stupid sop.
That's incorrect. The SS trust fund will be solvent and able to pay full benefits until 2033. At that point, if nothing is done until that point, 75% of the current benefit amount will still be able to paid. A simple fix would be to raise or eliminate the FICA cap which now rests at approx $110,000. Don't believe the propaganda: SS is not in danger.
Hey, those independent voters that went for Bush in 2000 and 2004 took a very intellectual and nuanced look at all the information available to reach a well informed decision. In 2008 and 2012 the same voters just took a flyer on the guy with the muslim sounding name. It's obvious.
I am afraid that the whole world is closer to moral foreclosure.
OK, now how are hard work and ingenuity not rewarded anymore? This was just a long diatribe on how things aren't like they were in the 1950s.
The "trust fund" you speak of is nothing but government debt. To empty the trust fund, the left arm of the federal government will need the right arm to pay up - meaning a larger national debt or higher taxes. People need to wake up and realize it's not a trust fund in the conventional sense. THAT is the propaganda that needs to go.
The 1950's when the U.S. was at the pinnacle of its power and everything was great. When business could get things done without the federal government stepping all over them.
(And the highest tax brackets paid over 90% of their income back to the government)
This post was edited by Dirk Hardpeck 20 months ago
Meh, liberal meltdowns over Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 were epic. American politics is like a pendulum. It swung right for Bush's 8 years, now its swinging back left. Its starting to swing back a little more right, and in 2016 the GOP candidate will more than likely win.
I just hope the over regulation and crippling spending that Obama has done/will continue to do won't have completely ruined our country/business climate by then.
This post was edited by Walter_Sanchez 20 months ago
Who sent the Enron people to jail? You think that just started under Bush? You know who Terry McCauliffe is and how much he made off of Global Crossing?
You can open the paper in Detroit any day of the week and read about a scandal involving some Dem "Pol of the People" who used his office to line the pockets of his family and friends (how many of Kwame's and Ficano's circle have to go to jail before it sets in?) The same is true in Illinois, New York, and throughout California. Christ, what happened at Fannie and Freddie Mac, sheltered by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, dwarfs any of the scandals you cite. When are the libs going to realize the people they elect are only out for themselves and you're used as a tool to that end?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by vator88 20 months ago
I tuned into FAUX too and was not disappointed. Any shred of credibility they had is totally lost due to that comedic and desperate attempt to rationalize why their guy lost last night.
I know conservtives who are smart enough to tune FOX out, it's total garbage for the lemmings. MSNBC is almost as bad, but the big difference is MSNBC viewers know it.
You appear to be a Moderate Republican which is a person I don't have major problems with and is somehting your party really needs. It is unfair to single handly hold Obama responsable for the debt. The Bush administration was already massivly in debt and left Obama with a rescissiion, two massivly expensive wars and defense contracts so ridiculous they should be deemed illegal. Obama has had to stop an ocean liner and Repubs want to treat it like a Jet Ski
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Eggy 20 months ago
Correct. Social Security is easily solvent with minor tweaks. Fixing Medicare is the problem.
As for the deficit and national debt, it's not about eliminating the deficit or paying off the debt (neither of which will, or should, happen). It's about keeping the deficit roughly at or slightly below 3% of GDP (the long term growth trend). That keeps the debt to GDP ratio constant over the long term.
This post was edited by PRStoetzer 20 months ago
So there were two morally acceptable sides of the Nazi final solution issue?
What about the "legitimate rape" issue? One side said that in cases of "legitimate rape" a woman has some kind of biological mechanism to prevent her from becoming pregnant. The other side said that there is absolutely no scientific/medical evidence to support that speculation and that in fact, pregnancies from rape are as likely to occur as pregnancies from consensual intercourse (assuming no birth control, etc.) It's likely that 10's of thousands of pregnancies result from rape every year in the U.S. alone.
So, are both sides equally accurate here?
I could go on, but you get the point.
“I don't think [that] there are two equal sides to every story.” - Edward R. Murrow
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
and yet John Stewart viewers are among the most informed while Fox News viewers are the least informed.
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You do realize that the federal government was far more involved in the planning of the U.S. economy in the 50's than it is today.
No it's debt that's earmarked for Social Security, not mixed in with all the other govt debt. And the obligation is self funded through FICA, meaning that there need NOT be a larger national debt or higher taxes to pay benefits. The only "higher taxes" needed would be a bump in the FICA cap before 2033 to prevent a 25% reduction in benefit amount.
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