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Question authority. Power to the people
Important and powerful figures require more protection than the average citizen because they face greater security threats. You know... because a crazy person might just come up to them and start trying to get in their face.
So you think crazy people would attack VIP's if they didn't have security? If they're crazy how would they have the mental capacity to understand the difference?
Did you read the link or see the video? Does his security have the right to violate the reporter's civil rights? What if that was an illegal immigrant he was demanding to see ID?
This post was edited by fallenangle 18 months ago
Which civil rights were violated?
The same rights that liberals complain Hispanics are being violated of when a figure of authority asks the same of them. Do you want strangers asking you to show ID for no reason?
Nice subject change.
Not at all. So you're a big proponent of Voting ID legislation since asking for ID is not a violation of one's civil rights according to you?
I won't change the subject... but we really should be doing more about gender equality in Somalia.
The officer was asking for identification to check that it matched the journalistic credentials given by the organization where the mayor had just came from. The question had a reason. This was not a situation where an officer approaches a person at random and asks for ID.
They were no longer there so it shouldn't matter, they were on public property at that point
nice cop out. Come on, you asked which rights were being violated so it's entirely relevant. I assume you don't think they were, in which case your response should be consistent and say "no, I don't think Voting ID laws are a violation of civil rights"
Ok, I'll make you a deal. You answer my question about which rights were violated (with specificity) and I'll answer your followup about voting ID. Deal?
""The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, PAPERS, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."
The cop did not violate the interviewer’s rights. The interviewer was not being detained under reasonable articulated suspicion or probable cause. Since the interviewer was not being detained, he was free NOT to provide his I.D. even when asked or “demanded” that he do so. Most people get intimidated by cops in such situations and produce I.D. Cops know this and use it to their advantage.
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A police officer asking somebody for ID is not a 4th amendment violation... particularly if that person was just trying to get around security to gain access to a public official. Next you'll be telling me that this guy's freedom to travel was violated because he was denied the right to get into Bloomberg's SUV with him.
The fact that the interviewer was part of the press in attendance at the preceding event is immaterial. The incident took place on a public street. It was causal contact between him and the cop. In causal contact – i.e. not being detained or under arrest – citizens are under no legal obligation to provide identification. A cop can ask nicely, ask sternly, even have a hissy fit and demand it at the top of his lungs. It doesn’t matter.
Here’s how the incident should’ve gone down:
Cop: Can I see some I.D.?
Guy: Officer, am I being detained or am I free to go?
Cop: Er, um, uh…
See how well it works when a citizen goes about it correctly:
Holding up a sign that says 'SPEED TRAP' about four blocks away from a speed trap is not illegal. Police tried to bluff and threaten a peaceful citizen with arrest.
The question that stops police bluffing is a simple one: "Am I being detained or am I free to go?" The policeman was obviously upset that he was being filmed. When police ask for permission to do a warrantless search they like to ask "What do you have to hide?"
WHAT DO POLICE HAVE TO HIDE?
Government now does warrantless wiretaps, monitors emails, installs surveilance cameras all over town, and uses aerial drones and satelites. They snoop in your financial transactions. They snoop in your medical records, and they keep a data base on you.
Yet they will try to make you think that they can put you in jail if you record their behavior in a public place. We seem to hear a lot about transparency of government near election times. What is wrong with picture?
Of course this is no where near being the worst abuse that is being committed by our police these days.
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This is exactly correct. The guy in the original video was just an ignorant douche who couldn't keep up the tough-guy appearance when face to face with a large cop.
He wrote down his information, he didn't just ask for an ID
He's a member of the press, that's their job. I guarantee if that happened to a reporter for the NYT by a Republican mayor's security staff the left would be going apesh1t.
Just so we are on the same page, if you were doing your job and a cop asked for your ID and wrote down your information you would be fine with that?
Dude, you need to give this one up. The guy freely gave his I.D. to the cop, even though he was under no legal obligation to do so. He can't bitch if the cop wrote it down. The guy should've known his rights in that situation.
and when you comply to a cop's request when they threaten you by saying something like " if you make me get a warrant I will make this much more difficult for you", I'm sure you could argue your rights were violated through coercive tactics by the police and have a good chance at having a court agree with you. At least in my vision of a just society you would
And did the cop have jurisdiction in DC seeing as he's NYPD?
That would be krazy
It doesn't matter that they were out of their jurisdiction. As I've already stated, most people get intimidated in such situations and freely give up their rights. Cops know this and use it to their advantage. It's exactly what Nanny Bloomberg's cop did. This was casual contact. If the guy is too stupid or too uniformed not to know his rights in that situation, he deserves whatever he got.
I'm sure all the cops on Nanny's detail had a good laugh about it afterward.
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