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Where did I claim they were visionaries?
I know about Copernicus. I love astronomy. I think it's fascinating and am saving up for my own telescope so I can start mapping out the sky on my own. Super nerdy stuff but that's how I roll.
Copernicus was also wrong. He thought everything was perfectly symmetrical and that other planets consisted of heavens. He had theories about us dying and then floating off to Jupiter. Heh...
I know about the Council of Nicea. The Bible was translated a million times before that even.
I don't know about this whole Twilight and Edward/Jacob thing. The fact that you reference Twilight as a joke tells me you're probably some amazingly smart undergrad student. I bet you have life figured out and these simpleton Jesus freaks are all stupid. Please, tell me more about the wild adventures of Copernicus, oh wise one!
You know, if a guy performed miracles, healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, and rose from the dead himself (which actually was debated for 100s of years), you'd think there'd be writings all over the place, and not just 20 years after the guy died.
I don't know man. People will do what they want. It's not like Jesus knew anything about wealthy members donating to churches far into the future. By all accounts, he was a communist and didn't even believe in currency.
Was he the Son of Man? Probably not, but I'm not a religious guy either.
It's amazing that people can speak like their opinion is golden. All while disregarding the Bible because of their various reasons. I find it quite ironic that you speak with such certainty and use that same logic to rip on Christians for having such passionate beliefs.
Disagree. The bible wasnt written by someone mentally ill but by powerful men looking for a way to control the masses and make themselves richer and more powerful. Where do you thing that tithing BS comes from? Thousands of years later it still works.
Seriously, what other institution could survive so long by countering requests for proof of these mystical and supenatural events from 5000 years ago with telling doubters to have "faith," "just believe," or else you'll face eternal damnation (and give us 10% of your salary too. pretty damn brilliant if you ask me. Away has noting on religion.
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"If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais
I love that a religion that was revealed to our culture only 2000 years ago pretty much discounts the fact that man has been on this planet in one form or another for over a million years.
There was once a religion that was observed by every culture; thousands and thousands of culture's/ tribes were all animists.
No, I'm not an undergrad, in fact, I've been out since before we won it all in 2000. But thanks.
The Bible was not translated tons of times before Niceae. It was PUT TOGETHER at that council.
Shows how much you know.
There were. Do you think it's possible many writings were lost? Did you know it was illegal to be a Christian in the Roman Empire? Who wants to start printing up a bunch of writing about a guy that will get you killed? Probably not many people.
It's just not that simple.
Miracles weren't always viewed with the extreme scepticism we have today. There were other people around in that day who were said to perform miracles. In the broad scope of the Roman world, a single Jewish man in Israel who can do some different things wouldn't have been all that big of a deal. Even so, there are quite a few sources outside Christianity that wrote about Jesus. The most famous was a Jewish historian called Josephus.
The writings were. It "existed" before then along with a bunch of apocryphal books and gospels that wouldn't be selected.
My opinion doesn't matter to anyone but myself. But my opinion is as valid as anyone else's.
The truth is, we'll never know the truth. And to act like it's ever going to be any different, no matter the viewpoint is silly.
That is false. It was written down many times in individual books and sometimes collected works. The whole profession of temple scribe had been created to do just that easily 500 years before Nicaea.
So the gospels, which are the word of God, had to be vetted and voted upon by men? And men decided which were, and which were not the word of God?
I know, it's dumb. It's why I would never rely on a book to form my beliefs and how I should live my life.
I'm not sure if this is serious. You just made this entire argument loop back around on itself. "Well, I don't believe in the Bible, because I don't know if Jesus did all that! I don't know if Jesus did all that, because no one wrote that Jesus did all that!"
My head hurts.
No the Gospels had been established and used in the early church. When Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the empire there needed to be a set canon of works. The Gospels were never a real arguing point. The questions were more around some of the Epistles like Hebrews and James.
Yeah, it's hard for me to get past that one. Since certain items in the bible - which are meant to be taken literally - have been proven false by basic scientific study, it is hard for me to take the rest of its teachings seriously.
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
We have someone here who is 100% correct. The original Greek texts, The Septuagint, were written well before the Council of Nicea. The texts in their current form are almost identical to what we have today. This notion of "changing" the texts is incorrect.
The Bible covers about a 6000 year period. Now I recognize that doesn't match up with some science but I also don't know of many human records prior to that point. Even so, I wouldn't fight an argument over Christianity on the whole 6000 years and literal 6 day creation. That really has never been an emphasis of Christianity until the modern age when the Bible came under attack from many people and the church reacted. Through his writings, its somewhat evident church fathers like Augustine didn't hold to these things.
He also owned slaves. If you are going to use that argument then you cannot pick and choose what you like about the man. He used that same reason to think one human being could own another is flawed. Jefferson was a great man, but to think he had it all figured out was incorrect.
This is without doubt the most moronic conversation I've ever witnessed about the formation of the canon and the historicity of the Gospels. And I've witnessed many moronic conversations on that very topic.
Uh, oh. This guy figured it all out. Educate us with your superior brain power.
Yes, next question.
Nope. I only have that conversation when forced to have that conversation. Family reunions, mainly.
And yes, I am smarter than you. Thanks for noticing!
If Old Wise One were still around, he/she would set all you young whippersnappers straight and send this thread where it belongs! To Wells!
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