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I typically remove my hat when at a sporting event during the national anthem out of courtesy and respect for the principles of our flag.
However, I am a little annoyed with Johnny Patriot who decides to single me out and yell "get your hat off buddy"- "show respect for the flag!"
Had that happen last season at Spartan Stadium-CMU game I came up the aisle and the Anthem was just starting to be played. Before I can turn and even see what was happening I have Nascar lady in her gruff voice yelling for me to take my hat off. I look around and think "is the crazy bitch screaming to me?" I was about to reach up and take it off anyway, but it was just annoying having some fruitcake single me out.
With a few thousand other guys still wearing their hats- I am wondering why the b#$%! makes a point to give me instructions.
Same thing happens at the scuM game last week. Just got through the line to get into the section, got pointed in the right direction by the usher then the Anthem goes off and here comes Johnny Patriot in his gruff better show respect for the flag Sparty- this time I decided to quietly honor the principles with my Spartan cap still on.
Is it just me or is this annoying to anyone else? How many of you are the ones who yell at others to "show respect". Personally, I do it almost all the time out of courtesy, but I dont like it when some prick yells at me to "show respect". These are the same folks who show more respect to a piece of cloth rather than other human beings.
Edit: ok let me clarify- I generally will always take the hat off as a sign of respect. I am talking about two times that its happened in the last two years. One of which I was just reaching up and did in fact take it off. I only mention it this time because it just happened at scuM and it was annoying being singled out by a guy a good six feet away and yelling " show some respect Sparty". My hat would've been off in literally another second. There were plenty of people next to the Patriot that he looks over and continues to yell it out to me two or three times. Shouldn't he really just worry about looking forward at the flag and honor it? It was the first and only time that I decided to leave it on and just stood in a moment of silence.
This post was edited by Spartan89 18 months ago
They also announce if you served or are currently serving to leave your hat on, and I've seen rednecks yell at people who have their hat on, without knowing if they are Vets or not. I always take mine off, but I do get annoyed with people who may be yelling at men and women who risked their lives for us to take their hat off.
I take it off just out of habit from my mom making me as a kid, people who get upset when people don't are idiots though, It's a piece of cloth of someone's head. Stupid symbolic gesture.
for someone who normally removes his hat you sure leave it on a lot
It's pretty easy to tell. If they leave their hat on because they are a vet, then they should be saluting instead of hand over heart. If they are not saluting, then they should remove their hat. Vets can do either the salute or the hand over heart, up to them. Yet if they do the hand over heart they should remove their hat.
The official code of conduct was changed a few years ago to allow vets to salute, and has become sort of a source of contention. Some vet organizations only want vets to salute if they are wearing a vet organization hat. In other words it shows they are a vet, and they don't want vets with a generic baseball hats saluting. They fear normal citizens will see it and think saluting is an acceptable alternative for everyone.
How does the National Anthem sneak up on you? Take off your hat.
Show some respect and take your hat off. I am not the type of person that yells at someone to take their hat off but I do think it is disrespectful when someone leaves theirs on. It's not nearly as bad as the people that talk during the National Anthem though.
The only time I have ever made an issue was some guy at a spring training game who insisted on carrying on with his cell phone conversation during the entire anthem.
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Actually, I think the taking off your hat is way old-fashioned. Back in the 60's and earlier, it was disrespectful for guys to leave their hats on when they went inside. That went by the wayside, and I think the hat during the national anthem is going the same way. What I think is more disrespectful is when people don't sing it. If you've ever been to a sporting event when the entire crowd really sings it and gets into it - it's pretty moving. I was at the ND-MSU game after 9-11 and the entire crowd at ND stadium sang it, and sang it loud. I'm not embarrassed to say that I cried during it. Maybe it was the emotions after the tragedy, but it was pretty unbelievable and very moving. Because of that, I always sing it - and I can't sing a lick. People look at me like "WTF are you singing for", but I don't care. I sing it loud and proud. I could care less about the hats if everyone would sing it like they mean it whenever it's played.
This is hard to follow. So since it is okay to wear hats inside now it should be okay to wear them during the national anthem. But only if you are singing it. Crying is optional. Is that what you are trying to say?
When you're busy texting on your phone, the whole game can sneak up on you.
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Because I am an old fart vet and brought up under the old rules, I always remove my hat for the Star Spangled Banner and when I walk into a building. Never leave it on at table either.
I also always try to get to my seat for the entrance of the band, so there's no problem knowing when the Banner is played. Just love the kick step entrance.
This post was edited by Geoff71 18 months ago
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What if you get terrible hat head?
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Separate but similar issue; I don't put my hand over my heart anymore. I just hold them behind back. Am I unpatriotic?
No it means your heart is in your buttocks.
Not at all. I have a good command of the english language. I love it when posters read what one has posted, twist it around, post their interpretation, and then say "Is that what you were trying to say"? The answer is no. What I was trying to say is exactly what I posted. No where in my post will you find that I said:
a) It is OK to wear hats inside
b) It is OK to wear during the national anthem
c) It is OK to wear a hat if your sining the national anthem, and
d) That crying is optional.
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion you did.
preface to story: I have nothing but respect for our country and flag, have family in the military, and always remove my hat for the anthem.
I was a parent guide for my son's cub scout troop for the 4th of July parade through town. It was sweltering and after the parade my son had to hit the portapot. I had heard the national anthem played already several times during the day and removed my hat each and every time. but the one time I didn't hear it announced (it was being played on the other side of a large field) I get singled out by some Johnny Patriot "Hey, Hats Off"... I'll admit, I was ticked. I'm helping with the scouts, walking in the parade, I'm wearing red white and blue, and some jerk finds the need to ride in on Teddy Roosevelt's horse and call me out to make himself feel good. F that noise.
Should I take my feathered headwear off for the national anthem?
What about my tinfoil?[tin foil hat]
Or my pancake?
I come from a military family and I was raised knowing you remove your hat during the national anthem. At sporting events I don't ask/tell others to remove their hat, but I'll admit that I look around to see who doesn't. To me it's a respect issue and one that is easy to do so just remove your damn hat.
As far as the removing your hat when you're indoors, again I'm from a military family so I was raised to do this. It's kind an old-fashioned thing to expect civilians do it, but for the military world it's still very relevant....go inside, hat off...the second you step outside you put that hat back on...it needs to be an automatic response.
I view both of these as polite gestures that show you have class.
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This guy can't be bothered to take his hat off of his head for 3 minutes as a sign of respect. And to think other countries consider Americans lazy...
I'll weigh in on this as someone who is currently serving. I think many servicemembers, including myself, and vets find it very disrespectful because of the codes and standards we live by. Somebody mentioned earlier that they think it went by the wayside similar to how many take their hats off indoors. Well, we still do that. If you see anyone in uniform indoors, they will never have headgear on except ceremonially. Most of us even do it in civilian clothes out of habit. It's just how we've been taught to carry ourselves. At sporting events, I see it as a sign of disrespect not to show some courtesy to your country and I will perceive you as a sheltered jerk who has absolutely no idea how great this country is, faults and all, in comparison to the war zones we have been to. Add that on top of the many vets from this current war who have lost best friends very recently fighting for this country and you have some very passionate individuals.
That's fine if you want to call me Johnny Patriotic. I am proud of the fact that I am one of the 0.5% of the population that serves and even prouder as an infantryman.
Lastly, to the OP, just because everyone else is wrong doesn't mean you don't know what is right.
Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons.
Do you still call strangers "Sir" or "Ma'am? - I love that, it's so cute .
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