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Well we all know that. Thats American society today.
sure, Mr. "racism no longer exists in America." If you think the treatment would be the same if the roles were reversed then you're more naive for a high school kid than I could ever imagine.
As for the law, if not for the media exposing this injustice and horribly crafted law Zimmerman would not be facing any jail time since the sheriff determined that under the law Zimmerman did nothing wrong. The media attention has exploded because people are being smacked in the face with reality, that the justice system discriminates against African-Americans, especially males, and in this case it was allowing someone to get away with premeditated murder.
You can MF should get together and hide in your closets from the scary black boys.
McWhorter: As popular as statements like these are this week, I
This post was edited by Enrico Palazzo 2 years ago
"If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais
Here's the problem. You are comparing cases that have nothing in common. One is a case of a man firing at a crook who just stole his car. The other is a case of a man shooting a kid walking in the wrong neighborhood. The first case involves an accidental shooting of the victim. The second involves a deliberate shooting of the victim. The first is a manslaughter case. The second is a murder case. So why is your mind associating these cases? Because you are likely unconsciously associating Treyvon with scary guys (they're both examples of a guy over-reacting to a threatening man). We all do this (I'm not trying to accuse you of being a racist). We all have biases in our cognitive evaluations of situations. These biases are what results in cases like this. Your post is an example of such bias.
cell phone calls between the victim and his girl friend just prior to the shooting
cell phone calls between the shooter and the 911 operators just prior to the shooting
neighbors hearing the victim cry out, then a shot, then more crying out
plus the 911 operator telling the shooter to stop following the victim
other than that they have nothing
This post was edited by GRR Spartan 2 years ago
That's absurd. The assumptions are in your mind. For one, you are drawing conclusions both about what happened and about how I view the event 'unconsciously'. Were you there? Are you an eyewitness? If not, then you are jumping to conclusions based on what you've heard in the various media. This country, unfortunately, has a history of violence done to people accused of crimes by mobs whipped into a frenzy by rumors and allegations. Does the name Leo Frank ring a bell?
From what I have read, the shooter is in a bad way. He apparently shot someone who was running away from him. I don't know the law in Florida but that sounds wrong to me. If he is not prosecuted, what's stopping one of his friends from packing a gun, walking down the street and popping the first guy who approaches him because he feels 'threatened'? That said, let the legal system take its course. Hopefully, no one will accuse you of assuming Zimmerman is guilty of murder just because he's Hispanic.
This post was edited by WixomSpartan 2 years ago
'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable'
- President John F. Kennedy
Agreed. At a quick glance, it seems that the shooter was clearly in the wrong.
With that said, some people on this board are indeed getting whipped up into a frenzy and seem to be ready to convict. We don't know what happened. He's innocent until proven guilty and hopefully this will be (correctly) settled in a court of law.
Why is nobody responding to this post? Here is Enrico's link again:
In federal cases, black defendants faced average sentences of 60 months, while the average for white defendants was only 38 months.
Jim, you really think the "racism no longer exists" crowd is going to respond?
Besides, they probably see that stat and get mad that a black guy is being given more by the government than a white guy. Damn sentence redistribution.
Agree with this. The hysteria is because this is a white on black crime.
Probably because the link has nothing to do with whether or not the shooter is guilty of a crime or not.
Do you have a link to somebody on this board (anybody) saying "racism no longer exists"? I'm pretty sure nobody has ever said that.
Just like the Duke LaCrosse team. They were convicted in the media. There are probably still people out there who think they did it.
People need to let the police do their work and make sure they get the evidence of guilty or not and let the courts do their thing.
And because there is an election coming up. Some people are looking for any angle they can play.
I said it at one time as an absolute and later retracted it. I meant to say racism as it relates to opportunities in this country does not exist. He is like a puppy dog with a sock in his mouth. He will just keep tugging until his teeth break.
Actually it's a hispanic on black crime. You're correct though that race plays a role in the outrage, and it should. This town has a recent history of not prosecuting crimes involving black victims. Are people supposed to just ignore that fact because some people don't want to talk about race? Oh, and I don't think the outrage is solely based on race. It also has to do with the fact that the police know who killed this victim and do not appear to have conducted any investigation before letting the shooter go free. There are plenty of crimes that involve black victims and perpetrators of a different race. I can't recall any of those crimes getting the publicity of this one, with the possible exception of the James Byrd case. A white teen in Mississippi was just sentenced this week for specifically hunting down a victim based on race (the victim was black) and killing him while yelling racial slurs. That case has gotten very little attention.
At least he still has his life.
"No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio
gregory "greggyboy" spartan said it. just ask him.
The hysteria is because a kid was shot dead for doing nothing more than walking home from the store while the person who killed him is free as a bird. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Then why did you see those examples as similar?
But I'm not trying to single you out. We all have these biases. A colleague of mine conducted some clever research studies involving a video game in which the objective is to shoot the people with guns before they shoot you and avoid shooting unarmed people. Some of the unarmed people are carrying things like cell phones. She randomly assigned characters in the video game according to race (black/white) and gender. So, guess which unarmed demographic gets shot the most? Answer: black males. By a significant degree. And this she gets this same result with a broad population of participants.
Skip the trial? Brilliant!
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You don't think some hoody wearing white kid armed with a can of ice tea and a bag skittles getting followed by a black man for blocks gets shot and killed by said black man after 911 operators tell the black man to stop following the white victim wouldn't be covered the same way because it was just black on white crime?
You really live a sheltered life. Stay far away from any integrated area.
And the shooter wasn't arrested. Oh yeah, the outrage would be worse. Far worse.
Unfortunately, black criminals kill black victims quite a bit in Detroit, but it doesn't make national news because the crime is not interracial. That's a sad commentary on our society...
Because they are similar. In both cases, a citizen with a gun pursued someone HE believed was committing a crime and fired. In the Florida case he apparently hit the person he was chasing. In the Detroit case he hit a bystander. I hope you are not arguing that the Detroit shooter was justified in his actions and therefore that case is different. In my opinion he was not, since his life was not in danger if he did not pursue. Same in the Florida case. The shooter was not in danger if he did not pursue, but he did pursue. Regardless of what happened when the two met, in my mind the shooter instigated the conflict and is therefore responsible. As least that's my take based on the reports that I've read.
He isn't being htld yet because it started as a one sided story. When the police get enough to bring him in they will. They know right where he is and it looks like he will be brought in shortly.
It's just as bad to string the guy up without all the facts in place.
It's looking like the guy either shot him just cause or he thought he saw something. Either way unless seething new comes out he looks to be in deep crap.
This country was built by people who worked hard then went home and had just a few too many every night. Then went back to work.
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