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At least one, maybe two - plain clothes, with concealed weapons that no one knows who they are - even other teachers/parents. Like federal marshalls on flights. I realize the expense would be large. Is this something that could be done?
No. That would cost at least $50,000 per school.
Get off my lawn.
It would take any parent or student who's involved in the school 1 day to figure out who they were.
Don't think -- it can only hurt the ballclub
It would probably result in a similar fate as the Air Marshal program. before 9/11 there were less than 50 Air Marshals and in 2006 there were thousands. The number of flights with Marshals was reduced over time probably because it was realized the cost outweighed the benefit. A congressman once reported the Air Marshal program resulted in 4.2 arrests per year at a cost of 200 million per arrest.
I am only familiar with my daughters school but you can't enter any doors without being buzzed in by a staff member watching you on a monitor. A person with evil intent could get around this but it is a decent first line of defense.
why are united states citizens so quick to want a military state and continue the erosion of our civil liberties?
If you ever do security, there are several "levels". First level would be the outer perimeter. And when that's compromised, (when kids are being dropped off) have at least 2 police officers on-site. Get their butts outta the donut shop.
Once kids are dropped off, the perimeter is locked down.
Furthermore, I think schools need some kind of "lock-down" mode, which would make if very difficult for some killer to easily go from room to room.
This tragedy could be a "9-11esque" event - recall how airline security was strengthened considerably.
Yet this guy was known by the school staff and probably would have been buzzed in. From what little we know so far, it sounds like the systems in placed saved many students. The teachers and staff initiated lock-down procedures quickly.
As a teacher, I certainly hope this doesn't lead to the equivalent of airport security. Any of us could easily be shot and killed anytime we're working outside, driving around town, picking up groceries, etc. We do horrible things to freedom in the name of safety, and these measures don't actually work anyway.
In this day and age, every school has a "lock down" mode. I teach and we have lock down drills as routinely as our fire/tornado drills.
A cheaper and more effective solution would be to arm every teacher. The cost of a weapon and training would be minimal and would stop the idiocy of herding people like sheep to slaughter into "gun free" zones.
Who will pay for this? As it is, most public school systems are having a hard time staying afloat.
How "minimal" would this cost be? And, as I mentioned in my reply to the OP, who pays for it? I don't know if you have any kids in school, but even Okemos Public Schools (where my kids attend) has had to make lots of cuts in recent years and depends a lot on PTO fundraisers. I suppose we'd have to have another PTO fundraiser to pay for guns and gun training.
I can't believe how terrible it has become in the US when we even have to discuss arming teachers.
I'd like to know exactly who downvoted my post and why? I'm asking a serious question. Exactly who is paying for this teacher firearms training anId with whose funds. If you couldn't tell by my post, think it's a bad idea.
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Arming teachers is ridiculous. Unless you are law enforcement or military, you are not going to be thinking rationally or clearly enough to draw your weapon and get a clean shot when there is total panic and chaos around you. A kid is much more likely to be killed by that teacher's weapon than a gunman. Teachers are teachers. They are not our last line of defense.
The only real way to stop this is to have one entrance per school only. You are coming in the front door and immediately being met by an armed police officer. This police officer will inspect your ID and whomever you are there to see will come out to the secure lobby of the school. Nobody except students and school staff will be allowed inside the building under any circumstances. This is not a difficult concept. Get it done in time for school to start on Monday.
lol at the idea of a random dude walking around an elementary school every day and nobody knowing who he is or what he's doing there.
Yesterday was heart wrenching, and terrible, and horrifying. Its unimaginable. But the problems that caused yesterday can't be solved with easy answers.
Put armed security guards in schools. Ban and confiscate legal firearms. But it isn't going to solve the problem of evil. Just about anything you do can't prevent evil minds from carrying out evil acts.
The murder rate in this country is in consistent decline. Violence is not out of control in our school systems.
You could rotate them around from school to school because random, unfamiliar adult males don't draw any suspicion in an elementary school.
You can't just look at the numbers. This kind of incident is on the rise. Overall violence is down.
He needs to be uniformed at least. Have him wear this costume and drive a raper to work.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
That's a flawed theory. Fewer drug dealers and criminals are being killed but they are being replaced by a smaller number of innocent people. Therefore the murder rate goes down. I don't consider drug dealers and criminals innocent people.
every teacher should be packing a sig sauer
What really bothers me about the whole situation is that the gun control issue has been so wildly over politicized that there are some common sense solutions that 90% of people should be in favor of that would substantially help the problems we have with gun violence.
1. No assault rifles - you don't need an assault rifle to protect your home or shoot a deer
2. No extended mags
3. No armor piercing or hollow point bullets - once again, give me a rational reason for having these
4. Full background checks and mental health checks. It will take some time, but no one needs a gun THAT NIGHT for any good reason
5. No CCW. This is far more contentious, but I look at it this way - CCW are good for two things: 1. Deterring Crime and 2. Protecting Yourself. A CCW is no better or worse to protect yourself, and doesn't deter crime as an open carry is far more likely to deter crime than a CCW.
A few of these would have mitigated some of the tragedy yeserday, but the point isn't to fix these mass shootings, but to lessen the impact of guns. Only extremist NRA members would disagree with any or all of these measures.
If we want to take a serious look at how to reduce gun ownership, acknowledging that we have a (poorly-written) constitutional right to our firearms, as well as a gun obsessed culture, we have to think like economists. Make gun ownership prohibitively expensive. Institute high gun taxes and mandatory gun ownership (a la ACA). Basically, embrace what Chris Rock said - $5K a bullet. It won't stop everyone with malicious intent from getting a gun, but I doubt kindergarten teacher yesterday would have 2 guns and a rifle.
As for the OP - security guards in each school would quickly bankrupt schools. I sub at East Kentwood - one of the rougher districts in the state, and there are no uniformed security guards, though you do have to be buzzed in, and everyone wears ID tags. I went to school at Forest Hills - one of the nicest in the state - and we did have a sheriff's officer on campus all day every day. Guess which district could afford it but didn't need it as much...
Yeah, putting 20-30 guns inside the school is the answer...worst idea ever uttered on this board.
How many CCW carriers walk into public places and mow down people. These aren't common sense solutions. These are bandages with poor adhesives.
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