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How is he defending the shooter in his post? You must reading something that I'm missing.
They should just have a liaison officer like my school did. Its a cop and you know its a cop. It is person with much more training in firearms than a teacher has and can handle high stress situations. They already have a cops salary its just instead of patrolling they work at a school. Please stop with this gun free zone crap. It has nothing to do with what happened. The school was targeted because the guy was psycho not because it was gun free. To think if guns were allowed on the school campus it would have some impact on lessening the losses is MASSIVE speculation.
It's not speculation at all, there are many instances of very similar situations being stopped in their tracks because people on site were armed. You don't read about them for the very simple reason that a slaughter didn't happen so the media doesn't go into frenzy mode.
Its amazing how much that movie was inline with the descriptions given yesterday
Please tell me of one and we are talking about regular civilians not policeman or security officers.
How about 2? One at a college, one at a high school.
How Vice Principal Joel Myrick used his handgun to stop the school shooter in Pearl, Mississippi. By Wayne Laugesen
Who's going to pay for this liaison?
The environment these days is to slash any and all education spending... not increase it. We've got a segment of the country that trashes anything having to do with teachers and education.
My high school had cops at it. But my elementary school did not.
At the time Lansing had 32 elementary schools, 4 middle schools, and 3 high schools (not sure what the numbers are now).
In NY, it's $1,000,000 insurance liability for every "armed guard", paid by the entity. Now not including the salary this individual, with a lot of responsibility, is going to have... that's going to add up to a lot of money.
This is America; we value CEO's, not education or mental health care.
This post was edited by xsanguine 19 months ago
And in this case she had some training.....
COLORADO SPRINGS Amid deafening cracks of gunfire, smoke-spewing canisters and the flight of thousands of New Life Church members, Jeanne Assam said she suddenly saw the hallways clear and a
Mostly in that you're going by what the media is saying with no context.
1- What exactly is an "assault rifle"? I have a .22 for plinking tin cans. What makes it a .22 is its barrel and action. There are people who buy it with the M4 like plastic instead of classic wood stock that makes it look "tactical". It is now an "assault rifle". It's not like automatic weapons are easy for the general public to get so an assault rifle is really just any other non bolt action with scary plastic stocks.
2- CCW people have a personal conversation with law enforcement. The Vietnamese granny who works where I do who can't afford to live in a better place and walks to work in north Lansing keeps one. They're last on my list of people to worry about, and not everyone lives in white suburbia.
3- Hollow points and whatnot, it's not like every hollow point is trying to kill people. Sometimes it is the cheapest/only stuff made.
That said, responding to the people below, arming teachers is asinine. First, you're assuming every teacher WANTS to play cop. I don't think most people want to sign up to make a difference in kids' lives and also have the burden of bringing a loaded weapon to class every day. Then you assume every teacher is competent to do this.
The reality is evil exists. 100% security or 100% liberty. People are fine with curtailing liberties they don't use for their personal illusion of safety, but if you said the government can put a camera in every room and street and prevent 99% of crime, who'd do it?
Perhaps a better statement of my position would be that IF a teacher wants to carry, let them. I wouldn't be in favor of requiring them to carry. Anticipating a question here, I would feel more comfortable if my kid's teacher was carrying a gun. A parent should have the right to know that information and base their choice of classroom on it if they had strong feelings one way or another.
And it does seem that this should be a mental health debate, as much as a gun debate.
He was dark and disturbed, a deeply troubled boy from a wealthy family who unnerved his neighbors and classmates.
An elementary school in Israel
Any poster here know of a public or private school that allows you to stroll in through an unlocked door?
Like another poster brought up, does anyone think a school system should spend an extra $50K-$100K per year per elementary school for armed security?
Are armed teachers a good idea? Do we screen teachers to make sure they are stable and not go after another staff member?
This post was edited by Amos Calloway 19 months ago
Since the 1970s after Israel instituted the program of armed citizen guards in the schools, not a single child has been murdered in an Israeli school
It's feasible, but I think it should be funded at the state level. Obama cut the COPS in School program last year and eliminated funding for the Readiness and Emergency Management for schools in last year's Education Department budget which was established to help schools create emergency and crises preparation and prevention plans. Also, the Secure Our Schools program,which provided more than $110 million in funding to law enforcement agencies to partner with schools for the purchase of crime prevention equipment, staff and student training between 2002 and 2011, also was ended this year.
An even cheaper solution would be to put locks on every classroom door and provide training to the teachers so that they can make an informed decision as to who to let in and not let in to the classroom.
He is defending the shooters "right" to own and use a gun. A lot of posters are. That is defacto defending the shooter. They don't care about the kids right to live, just the shooters right to carry a gun.
If there had been no gun he would have killed another way. To deny that is to deny reality.
wow, you are genius......
"No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio
Sorry, but guns are really an effective tool if you want to kill a human and unfortunately they are way too accessible in the U.S.
The first step would be to ban handguns and assault weapons. They have no purpose other than to kill other humans.
No. Next question.
People really need to stop watching movies. This kid had body armor, right? Good luck getting a kill shot on the kid from some 12$ an hr security guard in a high stress situation. Hell, federal agents that go through extensive training are less then 50% in high stress situations like these. Some fat rent a cop would only make it worse.
This post was edited by The_Dude 19 months ago
To state that is to state fiction. He only killed those kids because he had the guns. No guns, no dead kids.
This post was edited by Madhatter536 19 months ago
Its not feasible. For many reasons, cost being one of them.
The issues is that in a high stress environment, with a shooter in a school, likely decked with an arsenal and a bullet proof vest, the armed security guard wouldn't stop jack shit.
This isn't the movies. For an armed security guard with no real world experience to be able to stop a shooter in a high stress situation is minimal, at best. Hell, federal agents who do this for a living and have extensive training are less than 50% at getting the shooter in a high stress situation. The game changes when someone shots back at you. This isn't a Marines we are talking about, but a rent a cop with a gun.
Yeah it's absolutely unfathomable that school kids could be slaughtered with anything other than guns
It's amusing that the only instance you can find that uses something other than guns is over 80 years ago. That just supports the argument that guns are now the choice of weapon due to the ease with which they can be obtained. You lose, again.
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