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Find me a good teacher that works just 6.5 hours a day. I'm at school from 7-5 most days, plus lesson planning and other work at home.
And the tax payers had NOTHING to do with this change. It was rushed through without any discussion, because the GOP knows that the people wouldn't go for it. Cowards.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
Teachers had no choice but to unionize in the early part of the 20th century. School boards and administrators getting rid of teachers in favor of hiring family and friends was a common problem. They unionized in order to get due process in the event of a firing.
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So on one hand, union advocates say the districts are screwing them at every turn, then on the other, you say will non union workers "reap" the benefits of the negotiated contract.
Maybe just maybe the district pays what they can afford, union or not. Schools don't operate like business' where the admin think, hey if we screw the teachers, we will get a nice bonus at the end of the year.
These districts are trying to stay solvent in a world with an ever shrinking tax base.
So you are pissed about Obamacare too right?
You must be a rookie. Most teachers put together the lesson plans in year one, then just tweak them a little if at all for the rest of their careers. The basics, math, english etc don't really change from year to year. Do you work 7-5 during holiday break, spring break, and summer break too? Plus you get great healthcare and will get a pension. Nice. I will not get a pension and I have a a JD and an MBA.
Excessive spending on salaries and politics are among the reasons teachers in the Roscommon Area Public Schools severed ties with the Michigan Education Association, said Jim Perialas, interim president of the new teachers' union.
The MEA’s executive salaries, which are among the highest in the country, had angered the teachers, he said.
An article on liberty and free markets as sound public policy for Michigan.
Not a rookie, I just give a shit. So do most of my colleagues. The hardest-working person in my building is well over 60 years old, yet he's always the first person here and the last to leave. But please, continue painting educators with a broad brush.
My pension and healthcare have taken hits pretty much every year I've worked as a teacher. I do put in some hours over breaks, not my regular 7-5 hours, but I do work during vacations. And over the summer I get the privilege of forking over thousands of dollars out of my own pockets to further my education.
Never understood the "you get great healthcare and pension" argument. You know what the tradeoff is? A much lower take-home salary than many other professions. We already sacrifice plenty.
You mean the law that a majority of American citizens support, and that spent plenty of time being debated before it was passed? Yeah, not even close to the same thing as Snyder's bullshit.
You must be a first or second year teacher. You know your pay is going to skyrocket.
The average teacher in the Roscommon district, which is along I-75 south of Grayling, earned $62,312 in 2010-11, according to the Michigan Department of Education.
Roscommon is in a rural area. Not a strong tax base, and the average teacher still pulls in 63k.
That's a lie and you know it. It was not "debated" for plenty of time. It was rushed through with back door political tricks, so it couldn't be debated about.
And the "majority" of americans do not support it. You cannot find one legitimate poll that says the majority support it.
So hard-working teachers should earn low salaries because of asshole parents?
I hate Illinois Nazis.
I've known countless teachers in my lifetime (as a student, friend and parent), and I can't think of a single one whom I would have ever considered "underpaid". and that includes my mother, who was a helluva teacher in her day.
I think we should take some of these people, and send 'em up to Bear Mountain for a picnic.
No. The point someone was making was "Better pay for teachers = better performance."
You could pay a teacher a million dollars and it wouldn't change the poor parental involvement in some of the struggling districts.
The point is, pay does not equal results. Sorry you can't connect the dots.
But results should equal better pay. I get the impression from your other posts in this thread that you think teachers are overpaid in general.
teachers also give up mobility. Very few districts take an experienced teacher because they won't give them the same pay level / pay grade. One of the only professions that encourages masters degrees and then limits mobility.
Just watch the wages start to fall, not just for Union workers, but for non union workers in the same trades.
The ten poorest states in the nation all have right to work. It's a race to see who can beat Mississippi as the biggest shithole in the country, Michigan just made a move.
This. It's inevitable.
Look, I'm on the convservative side here, and I gotta straighten you out on a few things. My wife teaches elementary school, spends at least an hour each night on homework, and about 4-8 hours over the weekend. She sits on a few committees which require her to attend after hours meetings, all told she works a solid 50 hours a week, rivaling what many salaried people on this board do.
You don't get weekends off? What the heck is your profession?
That's why they had to hold the vote to pass it at 1. a.m.?
What the people want the people get. They wanted term limits so bills like this could be passed in lame duck sessions. They elected a GOP governor and gave them a majority in both houses specifically to pass bills like this.
Quit bitching on a message board and get your ass out on the pavement and collect signatures or whatever the hell you can do to force a referendum.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
I only speak about the 10 or so teachers I know.
They bitch more than they work.
BTW - I am in sales, and work a very irregular schedule.
If anybody thinks this about teachers, people, jobs or anything other than politics is ignorant. It'a bout Union busting and solidifying Republican control.
Next comes abortion all of the other ridiculous Republican social engineering.
This cannot be overturned by referendum because the repubs attached an "appropriation" for something to it which makes it immune to a referendum. This was the plan that rickybob and his repub minions had all along. They are determined to drive Michigan into the ground.
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