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OK now you're talking full on legalization as opposed to the Portugese model of decriminalization. If you look at the position of libertarians on the legalization of all drugs you would be hard pressed to find anyone who does not think the focus should be treatment. And I don't know of any other political group who are proponents of legalization.
And since you brought up "big Heroin" companies, you'd be remiss not mentioning that a lot of deaths/overdoses are due to the bad quality of the drug. In a regulated market you'd have safer conditions/drugs so that alone would lead to less overdoses/deaths since the black market would become virtually non-existent
On a side note, I really hate supper majority requirements in law. All it's doing is giving undo power to the minority which is in direct conflict with what Democracy and Democratic Republics stand for.
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States with the most gun laws experienced a lower overall mortality rate from firearms than did states with the least legislation, researchers said.
the same type of logic used to come up with this statement: of the people who have died, a majority of them consumed water within the last 24 hours of their lives.
real studies need to be done...not agenda pieces that push their point of view by linking to data associations.
I never said decriminalization. From the beginning of my hypothetical I said legalization. Which, in the United States, would probably mean to would be regulated through the FDA and taxed. You are correct that many deaths do occur due to impure drugs. But that does not mean that the total number of overdoses would not increase just because the government regulates a "safer" product. And if the government is trying to make money on a product, the focus would probably not be on prevention and treatment. That would hurt the industry. And your point on the black market would be "virtually non-existent" is laughable. It is very possible that in a would were heroin is taxed and regulated, the price of heroin would be considerably higher. Which, would lead to the black market to still be intact, offering unregulated, untaxed and cheaper heroin. Because of how addictive heroin is, people would have no issue buying the illegal heroin
Exactly... look at Chicago for instance... or even just a few pages back on this thread for some of the Chicago Numbers...
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The liberal mecca of wisdom tends to disagree with that study:
" Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive
I've just learned that Washington, D.C.'s petition for a rehearing of the Parker case in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit was denied today. This is good news. Readers will recall in this case that the D.C. Circuit overturned the decades-long ban on gun ownership in the nation's capitol on Second Amendment grounds.
However, as my colleague Peter Ferrara explained in his National Review Online article following the initial decision in March, it looks very likely that the United States Supreme Court will take the case on appeal. When it does so - beyond seriously considering the clear original intent of the Second Amendment to protect an individual's right to armed self-defense - the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court would be wise to take into account the findings of a recent study out of Harvard.
The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).
For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
The important thing to keep in mind is not the rate of deaths by gun - a statistic that anti-gun advocates are quick to recite - but the overall murder rate, regardless of means. The criminologists explain:
[P]er capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent. (p. 663 - emphases in original)
It is important to note here that Profs. Kates and Mauser are not pro-gun zealots. In fact, they go out of their way to stress that their study neither proves that gun control causes higher murder rates nor that increased gun ownership necessarily leads to lower murder rates. (Though, in my view, Prof. John Lott's More Guns, Less Crime does indeed prove the latter.) But what is clear, and what they do say, is that gun control is ineffectual at preventing murder, and apparently counterproductive.
Not only is the D.C. gun ban ill-conceived on constitutional grounds, it fails to live up to its purpose. If the astronomical murder rate in the nation's capitol, in comparison to cities where gun ownership is permitted, didn't already make that fact clear, this study out of Harvard should."
Repost from the American Civil Rights Union..Whatever that is?
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"I think the world is run by C students"
Turns out this may come back and bite NASCAR in the ass after all
NASCAR plans to become more involved in race sponsorship decisions by speedways in light of the continuing controversy surrounding the National Rifle Association sponsorship of the Sprint Cup race Saturday at Texas Motor Speedway.
If you think there's a large majority of NASCAR fans out there who will boycott this race because the NRA is sponsoring it - you are utterly delusional.
NASCAR is muttering PC words to calm down the press. So long as they make money they couldn't give a rat's ass who sponsors a race.
April 14 (Reuters) - A Texas man used a gun to commit suicide in the infield of a National Rifle Association-sponsored NASCAR race at the Texas Motor Speedway in Fort Worth late on Saturday, local authorities said.
Kirk Franklin, 42, of nearby Saginaw died after shooting himself at 10:30 p.m. on Saturday during the NRA 500 Sprint Cup race, according to the Tarrant County Medical Examiner.
Franklin was involved in a verbal altercation with other race spectators before the incident, said Daniel Segura, a Fort Worth Police Department spokesman.
By Brendan OBrien April 14 (Reuters) - A Texas man used a gun to commit suicide in the infield of a National Rifle Association-sponsored NASCAR race at the Texas Motor Speedway in Fort Worth late on Saturday, local authorities said.
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What's wrong with the NRA being a sponsor of something? Does this mean I should be offended if an organization I disagree with sponsors anything?
This post was edited by MindlessChaos 12 months ago
I don't like the NRA at all. Can't stand them and think many of their arguments are BS. That said, I don't see the big deal here. If they want to pour money into sponsoring something then more power to them. This smacks of a Senator grand standing to win public points and now the predictable nuts are coming out of the woodwork.
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It's to bad a "good guy with a gun" wasn't there to stop him!
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Excessive gun violence is easy to find, just go to Chicago, Detroit or DC.....you know, the cities the Libs have been in charge of for 50+ years.
Indeed. Did you know that if we took all of the minorities out of those cities (put them in camps or something) then they'd have the same level of gun violence as Greenland? And that's just a fact. Quite revealing, huh?
This would have never happened if his gun had a gun.
Or the infield of a NASCAR race, apparently.
Pretty sure he's your VP too. Or did you secede from the country?
Your a retard.
Since Wells has gone VIP, I figure we should have a memorial thread of the worst Wells arguments. Here’s my top 10:
10. “[lol] an article
It was probably one of those dangerous gun free zones we keep hearing about.
I don't understand why libs are viewing this suicide as a negative, I thought they were all pro-choice ( well except for schools and a few other things that don't fit their agenda )
So if somebody hangs themself do you refer to that as "violence" too?
Which is totally different than conservatives who are all about keeping government out of our lives, except when it comes to marriage and/or abortion and a few other things that don't fit into their agenda.
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