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  • it acts as a deterrent to crime.

    Count down to bible thumping hypocrites who will argue in support of capital punishment....4,3,2,1...

    Death Penalty Research Flawed, Expert Panel Says : NPR

    A panel of independent experts convened by the prestigious National Research Council has examined whether the death penalty deters or increases homicide rates. They concluded that the available research offers no useful information for policy-makers.

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    "No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio

    GTASpartan87

  • GTASpartan87 said...

    it acts as a deterrent to crime.

    Count down to bible thumping hypocrites who will argue in support of capital punishment....4,3,2,1...

    Here is how I see it. You kill one of my family members, you are going to die, either by the State or I am going to do it myself. Either way, you are a walking dead person. Now, you go to jail for life and I can't get to you, then you are lucky. However, you get out on parole or early release, I will hunt you down and get my payback.

    Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.

    Tanfan

  • Tanfan said...

    Here is how I see it. You kill one of my family members, you are going to die, either by the State or I am going to do it myself. Either way, you are a walking dead person. Now, you go to jail for life and I can't get to you, then you are lucky. However, you get out on parole or early release, I will hunt you down and get my payback.

    lol

    tanfan's bannings have turned him into a bad ass.

    You'd make a sweet superhero. GERIATRIC MAN!

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • The death penalty is a 100% effective deterrent. No executed person has ever committed another crime.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    The death penalty is a 100% effective deterrent. No executed person has ever committed another crime.

    That's not what is meant by "deterrent."

    http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay.htm

    iCameron

  • Tanfan said...

    Here is how I see it. You kill one of my family members, you are going to die, either by the State or I am going to do it myself. Either way, you are a walking dead person. Now, you go to jail for life and I can't get to you, then you are lucky. However, you get out on parole or early release, I will hunt you down and get my payback.

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    TX Sparty

  • I don't much care if its a deterrent. Some people just plain don't deserve to live.

    This post was edited by SpartanElement on 4/22/2012 at 9:05 AM

    SpartanElement

  • I fully support capital punishment, and it has nothing to do with crime deterrence.

    spartanMF ●

  • SpartanElement said...

    I don't much care of its a deterrent. Some people just plain don't deserve to live.

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  • iCameron said...

    That's not what is meant by "deterrent."

    Tell that to the families of prison guards, other prisoners murdered by them, or the general public murdered after parole.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Capital punishment is just a big government idea, supported by overly-emotional people.

    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • I am for the death penalty on moral grounds. But I am against it on economic grounds because at the end of the day the cost of trying them and then the inevitable appeals is so high that we might as well lock them up and throw away the key.

    This post was edited by Duke Silver on 4/21/2012 at 9:09 PM

    Duke Silver ●

  • You want THIS government to decide who lives and who dies!?! No way. Some people don't deserve to live, true, but the ability to make that decision is WAY outside of the government's pervue.

    MasonDelhiGuy

  • Pervis Muldoon said...

    Capital punishment is just a big government idea, supported by overly-emotional people.

    Capital punishment has been around far longer than any conceivable definition of "big government".

    Personally, I'm torn on the issue. I understand completely the emotional reasons for its practice. But at the end of the day there is something with the practice with which I have a moral problem.

    If forced to be in favor of or against the death penalty, I'd probably be against it.

    Guess my electoral prospects are slim to none...

    kaiserpete

  • kaiserpete said...

    Capital punishment has been around far longer than any conceivable definition of "big government".

    Personally, I'm torn on the issue. I understand completely the emotional reasons for its practice. But at the end of the day there is something with the practice with which I have a moral problem.

    If forced to be in favor of or against the death penalty, I'd probably be against it.

    Guess my electoral prospects are slim to none...

    It's been around longer than the Republican phrase, but there's no denying it's a big government idea - if you can conceive a definition of big government that doesn't just have to do with money.

    Emotional reasons are the only reasons capital punishment exists. I'd rather have laws written to solve problems or tangibly improve the lives of citizens than as a dubious attempt to make angry people feel better.

    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • How about terrorists? If terrorists are convicted and executed that is the end of the matter.

    However, the first thing terrorists typically demand when they take hostages is that their comrades, often convicted murders, be released or they start killing hostages. What do you do about that? If the SWAT teams go in there is a very high risk that many of the hostages will get killed.

    I don't think every convicted murder should be executed. It should be reserved for the worst of the worst cold blooded killers. Serial killers, terrorists, etc...

    What about convicted murders who escape from jail, kill guards or other inmates in prison, etc... What do you do about them? Solitary confinement for life? That is probably crueler than capital punishment for most.

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    CVSpartan

  • Pervis Muldoon said...

    It's been around longer than the Republican phrase, but there's no denying it's a big government idea - if you can conceive a definition of big government that doesn't just have to do with money.

    Emotional reasons are the only reasons capital punishment exists. I'd rather have laws written to solve problems or tangibly improve the lives of citizens than as a dubious attempt to make angry people feel better.

    I disagree that capital punishment is a big government idea. It is actually a small government staple. A government controlled by a handful of people, monarchies, dictatorships, theocracies, does not tolerate dissention as well as a big government system. Historically small governments are much faster to use capital punishment on a wider variety of crimes in order to maintain control of the populace. Fear of death for minor infractions is a big motivator to not rock the boat. A prime example today is Saudi Arabia. Use of the death penalty is much greater there and you can hardly call Saudi Arabia a big government state.

    Madhatter536

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    The death penalty is a 100% effective deterrent. No executed person has ever committed another crime.

    Perfect - We kill everyone in the world and no more murders will be commited...glad you have such a neat solution.

    Lurking on tRCMB since 1996

    TrapperGus

  • TrapperGus said...

    Perfect - We kill everyone in the world and no more murders will be commited...glad you have such a neat solution.

    Try again when sober.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Try again when sober.

    you too...

    Lurking on tRCMB since 1996

    TrapperGus

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Tell that to the families of prison guards, other prisoners murdered by them, or the general public murdered after parole.

    Read slowly this time Gus. How do we handle a convicted gang leader from ordering from prison the murder of witnesses who would be needed during his appeals retrial?

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Its an expensive proposition because the years of appeals plus juries are people, juries make mistakes. If someone is found to be guilty and later new evidence or prosecutorial malfeasance is discovered its better to release them from prison than telling the deceased's family the government made a mistake.

    More cost effective to build prisons designed for isolation and 60 minutes a day of a walk area outside the cell.

    GRR Spartan ●

  • Madhatter536 said...

    I disagree that capital punishment is a big government idea. It is actually a small government staple. A government controlled by a handful of people, monarchies, dictatorships, theocracies, does not tolerate dissention as well as a big government system. Historically small governments are much faster to use capital punishment on a wider variety of crimes in order to maintain control of the populace. Fear of death for minor infractions is a big motivator to not rock the boat. A prime example today is Saudi Arabia. Use of the death penalty is much greater there and you can hardly call Saudi Arabia a big government state.

    It's a big-government idea in that when we give the government the ability to kill its own citizens, we are granting a very big power - a power nondemocratic governments often take for themselves. Republicans have defined "big government" in terms of government programs and regulations that Republicans don't want, but I think any true definition should also include the power to kill its own citizens.

    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • government sponsored killing. Doesn't that sound like something they'd only do in Muslim countries??

    "If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais

    Enrico Palazzo

  • GRR Spartan said...

    Its an expensive proposition because the years of appeals plus juries are people, juries make mistakes. If someone is found to be guilty and later new evidence or prosecutorial malfeasance is discovered its better to release them from prison than telling the deceased's family the government made a mistake.

    More cost effective to build prisons designed for isolation and 60 minutes a day of a walk area outside the cell.

    agree.

    Kind of hard to admit error when someone turns out to be innocent after put to death. What do you say? Sorry about that, we won't do it again?

    Not to mention the documented fact that there is a massive disparity when it comes to blacks and non-white latinos being disproportionately sentenced to death compared to whites and those who kill whites being more likely to be sentenced to death than those who kill non-whites.

    10 Convicts Presumed Innocent After Execution

    Top 10 Lists: English jurist William Blackstone once said, �� Even lawyers are indoctrinated with this concept early in law school. Whether you support with the death penalty or not, most individuals would...

    listverse.com

    The Innocence Project - Know the Cases

    The Innocence Project is a national litigation and public policy organization dedicated to exonerating wrongfully convicted people through DNA testing and reforming the criminal justice system to prevent future injustice.

    www.innocenceproject.org

    Race and the Death Penalty | Capital Punishment in Context

    http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/race

    www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org

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