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So a more plausible explanation is that the driver of the limo would turn around in broad daylight, in front of several still and movies cameras and dozens of observers and shoot the POTUS?

You, my friend, are a nutjob.

This isn't true. He qualified as a sharpshooter. This is constantly brought up by JFK conspiracy theorists and they are continually shown evidence that proves it is not true. Shockingly they still bring it up.

Like all Marines, Oswald was trained and tested in riflery, scoring 212 in December 1956[11] (slightly above the minimum for qualification as a sharpshooter) but in May 1959 scoring only 191[11] (barely earning the lower designation of marksman).[22]

In Dec. 1948, a new rifle course with a possible score of 250 points was introduced, similar to the scoring system used today.
Weapons ranges aboard the Depot saw drastic changes in the years leading up to the Korean War. The contraction of concrete grenade pits, and an indoor .22-caliber rifle range were several that occurred, Alvarez writes.
Alvarez writes, recruits fired the .22-caliber rifle prior to firing the M1 Garand to qualify on the range and were also familiarized with the Browning Automatic Rifle.
The first week on the range was devoted firing with no ammunition while aiming at large black dots painted on white wooden posts. The second week recruits fired both the .22-caliber and M1 rifles, and worked pulling targets in the rifle range pits.
“Record day” was a high point in recruit training and occurred during the third range week. Shots were fired in the standing, sitting, kneeling, and prone positions at the 200, 300 and 500-yard lines for a maximum score of 250 points. This system remained in place until 2007.
One hundred and ninety points were required to achieve the marksman's medal, 210 points for a sharpshooter, and an expert rifleman had to score 220-250 points, Alvarez writes.

I am sure you will back up the claim that the Zapruder film was tampered with, with some sort of evidence.

I'll call BS on this statement....the car never stops.

I watched the video you attached....there is a spot where the video is paused, but its clearly a fabrication intended to prove your point. Every thing pauses, the guy in the foreground, the folks in the background.....dude, that is a really poor attempt at creating a fake video.

I guess you didnt read the quotes i posted earlier in the thread by 5 or 6 witnesses close to the car who said it did( including a policeman)

So, in his exam in 59, the latest one we know about, he passed the bare minimium Marine qualifing standard by 2 points. In other words by Marine standards he was way below average, almost flunked the test.
And all this after extensive practice for weeks with the same kind of rifle.
We of course know he didnt have that kind of practice with his " sniper rifle"

Dont forget he almost flunked in the Marines shooting at stationary targets, not moving target in a car under extreme pressure.
But i digress, Greer killed Kennedy.

Thanks for helping make my point.

I said his latest score which was in 1959, not 1956. Which would you use, i know common sense would say use the most current information available. You seem to have some kind of reading comprehension issue.
He was in Dallas in 1963 for the " shooting". His Marine scores were from 1956 and 1959, 1959 is more revelant.In either case he was at best a mediocre military shooter, in spite of excellent training.
In either case, i dont believe Oswald killed JKF anyhow, so this is all a mute point that is just going around in circles.

And for you to say that is saying something. (Not that I agree with your assessment of Madhatter but you've made it clear several times what you think of him.)

At least there's one thing that dems and repubs agree on. Conspiracy theorist are a waste of carbon and should be openly mocked.

We may be "unread and uneducated" but at least we can form a coherent argument.

When RQA called you out by pointing out that in fact the car never stops you responded by saying

"Wow you don't think the car came to a complete stop??? It most certainly did. It stopped for 2-3 seconds"

And then you attached a video demonstrating clearly that it did not stop.

The fact that clearly you must have believed that faked stop in the video makes all of the rest of us doubt your credibility on this topic.

I'm generally on board with conspiracy theories, and I think that Oswald acting alone and the magic bullet stuff is nonsense, but nothing that the OP has presented in this thread is compelling to me. And the condescension isn't helping.

What best makes the case for the limo driver shooting JFK is not the Zapruder film but the witnesses. People saw what happened. In all, Newcomb lists six eyewitnesses, some of which were actually in the Warren Commission report. Mary Moorman the school teacher standing next to Jean Hill saw Greer shooting but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. in a more recent interview conducted by a Japanese video team led by Marie Ueda, Moorman stated that the FBI convinced her to say that Greer was really shooting back at the assassin. This was in the WC report and in a taped interview with Newcomb. Jean Hill saw what happened too. Every time she tried to bring up the subject of Greer firing a gun, Senator Arlen Spector, a 33rd degree mason, would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee." It would appear that he had an established agenda. Austin P. Miller makes a statement found on page 82 of the Warren Report, NY Times edition that could have turned the whole Warren Commission report in a different direction if they had been looking for the truth. Miller, who worked for the Louisiana Freight Bureau, and who was standing on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Senator Arlen Spector where the shots came from. His response was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. Clinton J. Hill, Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard, reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warre Commission Report Volumes: "I jumped from the car realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it there was another sound. I think I described it in my report as thought someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo." Hugh Betzner, who had a photograph published in Life Magazine and was standing right next to the Secret Service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car." Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb. Even Senator Ralph Yarborough, riding in the 3rd car back "smelled gunpowder in the car" in a statement made to the press but not to the Warren Commission. He was challenged on the phone by Newcomb and then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository." Besides Sen. Yarborough, Newcomb located five other "nose witnesses" who smelled gunsmoke in the car. Their names were patrolman Joe W. Smith, Congressman Ray Roberts, Thomas C. Clifford, Elizabeth Cabel and Robert W. Jackson.
Secret Service agents William Greer and Roy Kellerman were questioned as suspects by the FBI even before Oswald was arrested. There exists in the National Archives (but not the Warren Commission files) a statement made by Kellerman to the FBI that President Kennedy said "my God, I'm hit," and he says that the President reaches around and grabs his back. In the Zapruder film, JFK grabs his throat and slumps forward and to his left oto his wifes shoulder. This statement was a part of he official story line to frame Oswald, the fall guy, and make it look like JFK was shot from the rear. And it was Kellerman who placed the pristine bullet on the stretcher that matches the Manlicher Carcano rifle planted in the snipers nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depostitory. Interestingly, the hole in Kennedy's back, just below the shoulder was not reported in Dallas. When Kellerman was asked why there was no bullet ijn the back wound he said "it probably worked its' way out when we were giving him cardiac massage." We? Cardiac massage?

This site breaks it down extremely well. Follow along with the clips and info. Its glaringly obvious Greer shot Kennedy.

Ahhhhh yes. More crack investigative reporting from the reputable thedriverkilledkennedy.com.

I swear the conspiracy theorists try to outdo each other with their outlandish ramblings. If you want to twist every minor and irrelevant detail or hearsay into one convenient little tale you could come up with a scenario where Vince Lombardi killed JFK.