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If the U.S. were to begin direct military action in Syria

  • What group would they be supporting? Is there an organized opposition as there was in Libya?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • crickets...

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • My understanding is that the opposition such as the "Free Syrian Army" is growing but is fragmented.

    One would think it would not be that difficult for a government composed primarily of a small religious minority "alawites" (spelling) would be that difficult to eject.

    However, the Assad regime has been ruthless and quite efficient at staying in power.

    The Syrian armed forces are considered far more formidable than Quaddaffi's were.
    They are being aided by both the Russians (supplies) and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    I doubt there will be any U.S. military intervention other than providing arms and other supplies. Too risky. Certainly not until after the election - even for the supplies. Other countries, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are already providing supplies to the Sunni rebels.

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    My understanding is that the opposition such as the "Free Syrian Army" is growing but is fragmented.

    One would think it would not be that difficult for a government composed primarily of a small religious minority "alawites" (spelling) would be that difficult to eject.

    However, the Assad regime has been ruthless and quite efficient at staying in power.

    The Syrian armed forces are considered far more formidable than Quaddaffi's were. They are being aided by both the Russians (supplies) and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    I doubt there will be any U.S. military intervention other than providing arms and other supplies. Too risky. Certainly not until after the election - even for the supplies. Other countries, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are already providing supplies to the Sunni rebels.

    Right, the point is that there is no organized opposition group, yet.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • CVSpartan said...

    My understanding is that the opposition such as the "Free Syrian Army" is growing but is fragmented.

    One would think it would not be that difficult for a government composed primarily of a small religious minority "alawites" (spelling) would be that difficult to eject.

    However, the Assad regime has been ruthless and quite efficient at staying in power.

    The Syrian armed forces are considered far more formidable than Quaddaffi's were. They are being aided by both the Russians (supplies) and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

    I doubt there will be any U.S. military intervention other than providing arms and other supplies. Too risky. Certainly not until after the election - even for the supplies. Other countries, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are already providing supplies to the Sunni rebels.

    Don't tell this Bullwrinkle.

    John Dewey

  • John Dewey said...

    Don't tell this Bullwrinkle.

    Here's a little hint John - Don't rely on anything ARPEE posts, you'll end up looking foolish. Yes there are organized opposition groups. Who do think have been rebelling? Who do think is being slaughtered? How "organized" were those Egyptians occupying Cairo for months?

    Syrian opposition groups say dozens dead in new massacre by regime - News1130

    Opposition groups in Syria said dozens of civilians, including many children, have been killed in the central Hama province in what they're calling a...

    www.news1130.com

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • another great Muslim country

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    Viggo_Martyr

  • John Dewey said...

    Don't tell this Bullwrinkle.

    bully knows shit about the conflict in Syria. Nor does his care even a little about the people or the situation there.

    He'll post some angry gibberish in this thread, because he can't help it. But it won't come close to answering my questions.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • look, we need some targets

    it's not fun shooting five million dollar missles up a camel's ass

    We've got depth. We've got numbers.

    ninowesco

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Here's a little hint John - Don't rely on anything ARPEE posts, you'll end up looking foolish. Yes there are organized opposition groups. Who do think have been rebelling? Who do think is being slaughtered? How "organized" were those Egyptians occupying Cairo for months?

    I was quoting CVSpartan's opinion. CV, wish to respond?

    John Dewey

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    bully knows shit about the conflict in Syria. Nor does his care even a little about the people or the situation there.

    He'll post some angry gibberish in this thread, because he can't help it. But it won't come close to answering my questions.

    I love when ARPEE ignores me.roflmao

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    crickets...

    I can't comment. I don't know who the opposition is or if they are consolidated into one group. I hate to so clearly state my ignorance, but so be it.

    MasonDelhiGuy

  • John Dewey said...

    I was quoting CVSpartan's opinion. CV, wish to respond?

    I get my info from the major press services. No inside info. There is also some concern that these weapons might end up in the hands of hostile forces. This has been feared in the case of Libya.

    The Turks and Saudis are providing weapons to the Syria rebels now. I for one would not advocate providing any sophisticated U.S. weapons to them. So called nonlethal aid would be helpful and could not be used against U.S. troops.

    There are plenty of old Russian weapons floating around the Mid-East. Let them use those. They are more familiar with them anyway.

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    The Turks and Saudis are providing weapons to the Syria rebels now.

    Again, that would seem to indicated there is an organized opposition.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • So far nobody can name an organized opposition group.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    What group would they be supporting? Is there an organized opposition as there was in Libya?

    You'll have to ask the Arab League...

    'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable' - President John F. Kennedy

    WixomSpartan

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Right, the point is that there is no organized opposition group, yet.

    If the West needed oil from Syria believe me, we'd invent an opposition group if we had to...

    'Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable' - President John F. Kennedy

    WixomSpartan

  • WixomSpartan said...

    If the West needed oil from Syria believe me, we'd invent an opposition group if we had to...

    So would you and Bully agree that the Iraq wars were primarily about the oil?

    John Dewey

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    So far nobody can name an organized opposition group.

    Would someone tell this idiot who is "ignoring" me, to read the link I posted which lists the opposition group. Thank you.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • John Dewey said...

    So would you and Bully agree that the Iraq wars were primarily about the oil?

    Ummmm...yup. If Iraq ran over Kuwait, and Kuwait had no oil, there never would have been Gulf War 1.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Bullwrinkle said...

    Ummmm...yup. If Iraq ran over Kuwait, and Kuwait had no oil, there never would have been Gulf War 1.

    But I'm one who considered the oil argument to be a bit over-rated. Here's the problem, Bush II would have had to be the dumbest president ever to spend billions and billions on a war just to save a little bit on oil. I'm not saying oil had no influence, just that the war sure doesn't make a lot of sense from a business perspective. Of course, it didn't make much sense from a WMD perspective either so I'm not sure where that leaves us. And we can't rule out Bush being the dumbest president ever. (sorry, had to throw that in there biggrin)

    John Dewey

  • John Dewey said...

    But I'm one who considered the oil argument to be a bit over-rated. Here's the problem, Bush II would have had to be the dumbest president ever to spend billions and billions on a war just to save a little bit on oil. I'm not saying oil had no influence, just that the war sure doesn't make a lot of sense from a business perspective. Of course, it didn't make much sense from a WMD perspective either so I'm not sure where that leaves us. And we can't rule out Bush being the dumbest president ever. (sorry, had to throw that in there biggrin)

    it doesn't make sense from a business perspective - if you are the United States

    if you are a defense contractor or if you and your friends all own huge stakes in oil companies, it makes perfect sense

    We've got depth. We've got numbers.

    ninowesco

  • John Dewey said...

    But I'm one who considered the oil argument to be a bit over-rated. Here's the problem, Bush II would have had to be the dumbest president ever to spend billions and billions on a war just to save a little bit on oil. I'm not saying oil had no influence, just that the war sure doesn't make a lot of sense from a business perspective. Of course, it didn't make much sense from a WMD perspective either so I'm not sure where that leaves us. And we can't rule out Bush being the dumbest president ever. (sorry, had to throw that in there biggrin)

    Any or all of your assumptions could be valid. But I'm telling you, if Iraq had no oil, and Kuwait had no oil etc.....Saddam would still be in power today. We just wouldn't have given a crap about him. We would still have implemented the same lame sanctions and basically treated him like we treat North Korea.

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle

  • Well, this thread worked out as I suspected. No one can name an organized group with the military/political structure to act as an interim government should Assad be overthrown.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Well, this thread worked out as I suspected. No one can name an organized group with the military/political structure to act as an interim government should Assad be overthrown.

    Would one of you remind this moron that if he has people on ignore he has no idea what has or hasn't been posted. From the link I posted, it clearly lists the main opposition group and the local coordination committee. Would't the term coordination sort of indicate organized opposition? Otherwise who would Assad know to slaughter?

    "The Local Coordination Committees group gave a far higher death toll, saying more than 78 people were killed, including many women and children. It said pro-government militiamen known as shabiha first shelled the farming area and then went in and killed the residents there. It said some of the dead were stabbed to death while other bodies were burned.

    Syria's main opposition group in exile, the Syrian National Council, also said 78 people were killed. It said 35 of them were from the same Al-Yatim family and more than half of them women and children. It said the militiamen converged on Qubair from neighbouring pro-regime villages. It said some of the dead were killed execution-style, others were slain with knives."

    This post was edited by Bullwrinkle on 6/14/2012 at 12:19 PM

    Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury

    Bullwrinkle