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Latest on the Zimmerman case

  • As if Zimmerman's credibility issues weren't bad enough BEFORE he lied to the court.

    The Associated Press: Zimmerman credibility may be issue in Martin case

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gdTZNw2XMND--62xUJe5NtoiH25Q?docId=039c3bd696a747df96f830899b93a20f

    www.google.com

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • Rogue Leader said...

    Awesome. You're bending over backwards to defend his shooting of an unarmed teenager, now that he's fucked up again and further damaged his credibility (and yours, but luckily yours was pretty much non existent anyway so no biggie) you spin it into some more partisan bs.

    Shameless. You and fishy.

    partisan BS went out the door the day it came out he's a Democrat. That's always been, and always will be, the great irony of this case regardless of his innocence/guilt...and in no way do I think these actions have any affect whatsoever on its outcome. There is not, and never will be, enough evidence that stands to the test of the tenant of innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    partisan BS went out the door the day it came out he's a Democrat. That's always been, and always will be, the great irony of this case regardless of his innocence/guilt...and in no way do I think these actions have any affect whatsoever on its outcome. There is not, and never will be, enough evidence that stands to the test of the tenant of innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    Yeah, the indisputable fact that he shot and killed Martin is no reason to think Zimmerman did anything wrong!!!!

    Madhatter536

  • fallenangle said...

    partisan BS went out the door the day it came out he's a Democrat. That's always been, and always will be, the great irony of this case regardless of his innocence/guilt...and in no way do I think these actions have any affect whatsoever on its outcome. There is not, and never will be, enough evidence that stands to the test of the tenant of innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    You consider it irony that democrats want Zimmerman (a democrat) prosecuted. I consider it exactly the problem with republicans. You'd fight tooth and nail to protect a moron like Zimmerman regardless of his crime if he had an (R) next to his name. Pathetic. Fuck your political beliefs, a crime is a crime.

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Truth is, had T Martin "stood his ground" with a gun and shot ZImmerman instead of beating the crap out of him, the right wing gun nuts would be defending Trevon.

    Bleachers247

  • Rogue Leader said...

    You consider it irony that democrats want Zimmerman (a democrat) prosecuted. I consider it exactly the problem with republicans. You'd fight tooth and nail to protect a moron like Zimmerman regardless of his crime if he had an (R) next to his name. Pathetic. Fuck your political beliefs, a crime is a crime.

    no, that's not the irony. It was revealed he was a Democrat long before he was prosecuted. What I find ironic is that Zimmerman considers his race as Hispanic but yet the Democrats insist on calling him white because it looks better in their eyes (especially the self-hating whites) if a white person committed this crime instead of a minority. In fact the reason it's ironic is because it's something that one would not expect to take place, that is a Republican sticking up for a Democrat all other things being equal. I mean according to you guys the Zimmerman defenders here already are protecting him knowing he's a Democrat, so it stands to reason they'd do the same if he was a Republican, thus eliminating any notion whatsoever of this being partisan to them.

    fallenangle

  • My personal opinion: Don't care what happens.

    What I think will happen: Zimmerman guilty of murder because if he is released, African-American community will riot.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    My personal opinion: Don't care what happens.

    What I think will happen: Zimmerman guilty of murder because if he is released, African-American community will riot.

    There's no doubt in my mind this whole trial is now in the midst of a very coordinated and orchestrated campaign being conducted with the knowledge and agreement of all parties involved. It's not difficult to put the pieces together, they are all there. Everybody knew about this Paypal account since before the bail hearing, so why now all of a sudden did they decide to revoke his bond? It's simple, look at what has transpired during this time. The evidence that's gotten released points more and more to his innocence, there's no reason anybody has seen yet that points to charges NOT being dropped under the SYG provision during the defense's motion. Why would the defense object to the public release of more evidence if it's only helping his client? I can understand why the prosecution objects, they don't want the court of public opinion to shift. So in the meantime they all get together and prosecution only will "agree" to this understanding if Zimm does SOME jail time. Obviously once it gets tossed he won't be seeing the inside of any cell. Will a year in the poke satisfy the race-baiters with an impending drop of charge? And how much $ will GZ be offered for his time served? The only question that remains is his security behind bars until the case gets dropped. If the benefit of Zimmerman getting taken out greatly exceeds its costs, does any rational human being think Zimmerman will be adequately protected? Finally, would the Zimmerman's get a bigger pay out for their sons life than the Martin's would stand to gain for theirs?

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    There's no doubt in my mind this whole trial is now in the midst of a very coordinated and orchestrated campaign being conducted with the knowledge and agreement of all parties involved. It's not difficult to put the pieces together, they are all there. Everybody knew about this Paypal account since before the bail hearing, so why now all of a sudden did they decide to revoke his bond? It's simple, look at what has transpired during this time. The evidence that's gotten released points more and more to his innocence, there's no reason anybody has seen yet that points to charges NOT being dropped under the SYG provision during the defense's motion. Why would the defense object to the public release of more evidence if it's only helping his client? I can understand why the prosecution objects, they don't want the court of public opinion to shift. So in the meantime they all get together and prosecution only will "agree" to this understanding if Zimm does SOME jail time. Obviously once it gets tossed he won't be seeing the inside of any cell. Will a year in the poke satisfy the race-baiters with an impending drop of charge? And how much $ will GZ be offered for his time served? The only question that remains is his security behind bars until the case gets dropped. If the benefit of Zimmerman getting taken out greatly exceeds its costs, does any rational human being think Zimmerman will be adequately protected? Finally, would the Zimmerman's get a bigger pay out for their sons life than the Martin's would stand to gain for theirs?

    It is fishy, that's for sure. It's got that OJ stench going on.

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • This failure to disclose the amount of money in the Paypal account, the existence of which was widely reported long before GZ was arrested, was at the least negligent and very foolish on GZ's part.

    However, that does not prove he is guilty of starting the altercation and/or 2nd degree murder. What you have here is that the racial hustlers will seize any straw to hold onto their narrative as it was ORIGINALLY reported even though it has largely been debunked by more recent press reports.

    Some of the same bomb throwers on this board claim that ACORN's fraudulently registered voters don't count because there is no proof that Micky Mouse actually voted.

    I for one will accept the jury verdict unless there was overwhelming evidence that GZ was railroaded. Even then he could still appeal so I think justice will eventually be served. It is unfortunate that so many (Jackson, Sharpton, etc...) exploited this tragedy to push their absurd view that nothing has significantly changed since 1952 regarding race relations.

    This post was edited by CVSpartan on 6/4/2012 at 3:39 AM

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    This failure to disclose the amount of money in the Paypal account, the existence of which was widely reported long before GZ was arrested, was at the least negligent and very foolish on GZ's part.

    However, that does not prove he is guilty of starting the altercation and/or 2nd degree murder. What you have here is that the racial hustlers will seize any straw to hold onto their narrative as it was ORIGINALLY reported even though it has largely been debunked by more recent press reports.

    Some of the same bomb throwers on this board claim that ACORN's fraudulently registered voters don't count because there is no proof that Micky Mouse actually voted.

    I for one will accept the jury verdict unless there was overwhelming evidence that GZ was railroaded. Even then he could still appeal so I think justice will eventually be served. It is unfortunate that so many (Jackson, Sharpton, etc...) exploited this tragedy to push their absurd view that nothing has significantly changed since 1952 regarding race relations.

    How could he be railroaded? He killed a kid after getting into a fight. Done! Zimmerman goes to jail!

    Race has nothing to do with it! Who started the fight has nothing to do with it!

    "No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio

    GTASpartan87

  • fallenangle said...

    It's simple, look at what has transpired during this time. The evidence that's gotten released points more and more to his innocence,

    Untrue. And even if it was, Zimmerman has just shown that he has no problem with attempts to mislead the authorities over something a relatively insignificant as what bail he can afford. Doesn't take a genius to realize he'd certainly mislead about the altercation with Martin.

    Z's credibility was already in question due to his actions in the past, and now this?

    This post was edited by RP McMurphy on 6/4/2012 at 9:47 AM

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • fallenangle said...

    no, that's not the irony. It was revealed he was a Democrat long before he was prosecuted. What I find ironic is that Zimmerman considers his race as Hispanic but yet the Democrats insist on calling him white because it looks better in their eyes (especially the self-hating whites) if a white person committed this crime instead of a minority. In fact the reason it's ironic is because it's something that one would not expect to take place, that is a Republican sticking up for a Democrat all other things being equal. I mean according to you guys the Zimmerman defenders here already are protecting him knowing he's a Democrat, so it stands to reason they'd do the same if he was a Republican, thus eliminating any notion whatsoever of this being partisan to them.

    Just because you and Zimmerman don't know the difference between race and ethnicity doesn't mean others share your ignorance.

    And the fact that you keep bringing up political leanings is telling. You can't even keep your partisan B.S. out of this.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • GTASpartan87 said...

    How could he be railroaded? He killed a kid after getting into a fight. Done! Zimmerman goes to jail!

    Race has nothing to do with it! Who started the fight has nothing to do with it!

    Race has nothing to do with it? I agree. Unfortunately, Sharpton, Jackson, etc... are making it into a racial issue. If they were both black in appearance it never would have been more than a local story.

    My beef is with the way the press covered it and how it has been exploited. This is playing with fire. Never a good idea to wave the bloody shirt in front of an enraged mob. That never ends well.

    This post was edited by CVSpartan on 6/4/2012 at 4:34 PM

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • I'm just shocked and disappointed that Michelle Obama hasn't come out against Martin for partaking in sugary drinks and snacks.

    TravelinMan

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Just because you and Zimmerman don't know the difference between race and ethnicity doesn't mean others share your ignorance.

    And the fact that you keep bringing up political leanings is telling. You can't even keep your partisan B.S. out of this.

    Zimmerman was offered a choice between white and hispanic when asked for his race. He chose Hispanic. You are just proving my point, too bad you're too ignorant to realize it

    fallenangle

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Untrue. And even if it was, Zimmerman has just shown that he has no problem with attempts to mislead the authorities over something a relatively insignificant as what bail he can afford. Doesn't take a genius to realize he'd certainly mislead about the altercation with Martin.

    Z's credibility was already in question due to his actions in the past, and now this?

    If he wanted to mislead why wouldn't he just have said that the gun accidentally went off as Martin and him struggled over it? Wouldn't even have to prove self-defense in that scenario. If he truly wanted to kill him and make it look unintentionally it would make no sense to make that claim. Hopefully you don't make your way on any jury anytime soon

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    Zimmerman was offered a choice between white and hispanic when asked for his race. He chose Hispanic. You are just proving my point, too bad you're too ignorant to realize it

    Offered a choice by who, someone else who doesn't understand the difference between race and ethnicity?

    You HAVE NO POINT, so therefore, I can't be proving it for you. lol

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • fallenangle said...

    If he wanted to mislead why wouldn't he just have said that the gun accidentally went off as Martin and him struggled over it? Wouldn't even have to prove self-defense in that scenario. If he truly wanted to kill him and make it look unintentionally it would make no sense to make that claim. Hopefully you don't make your way on any jury anytime soon

    He would have a very hard time explaining how the gun was drawn, aimed at the chest and then accidentally went off.

    Besides, the efforts to mislead are not in question, no matter how much you try to deflect. The man is back in jail because he misled the authorities. Even someone as intractable as you has to see that.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    He would have a very hard time explaining how the gun was drawn, aimed at the chest and then accidentally went off.

    Besides, the efforts to mislead are not in question, no matter how much you try to deflect. The man is back in jail because he misled the authorities. Even someone as intractable as you has to see that.

    Wasn't it technically his wife that lied to the judge? And setting aside all of the non-sense about this trial, I do find it interesting that bail, which exists for the purpose of ensuring that someone shows up to their trial and doesn't skip town, can be revoked because a man who is being prosecuted didn't speak up and correct his wife's statements. I wouldn't have thought he had a legal obligation to do so, but hey - I'm no lawyer.

    TravelinMan

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    He would have a very hard time explaining how the gun was drawn, aimed at the chest and then accidentally went off.

    Besides, the efforts to mislead are not in question, no matter how much you try to deflect. The man is back in jail because he misled the authorities. Even someone as intractable as you has to see that.

    In shooting trials, even the grain and bullet mass are able to be argued about, not just the circumstances of the shooting. If his gun was loaded with a "self-defense" round, it better be one that came straight out of the box. If a prosecuting attorney determines that the bullet was home loaded, then the entire ballistic characteristics could be used against him (i.e. did the bullet contain a more powerful gunpowder load than "what is necessary" for self-defense, etc., etc.).

    MasonDelhiGuy

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    I don't think that Zimmerman lying to the judge bodes too well.. what else is he lying about??

    penis size

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Offered a choice by who, someone else who doesn't understand the difference between race and ethnicity?

    You HAVE NO POINT, so therefore, I can't be proving it for you. lol

    Let me ask you a question, who would know more about how you would identify your own race. You, or some yahoo on a message board?

    I can show you a legal document that shows Zimmerman's race as being Hispanic. Feel free to show me ANY document that refers to his race as white

    fallenangle

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    I don't think that Zimmerman lying to the judge bodes too well.. what else is he lying about??

    What did he lie about?

    His wife told the judge about their defense fund. When the Judge asked her the balance she said she didn't know and offered to call her brother to find out, at which point the Judge told her it wasn't necessary. So she said 155 to represent 155 thousand, absoulely normal to truncate a thousand dollar amount into 10's or 100's. Like I said, the whole thing is being orchestrated and the ignorant public is taking it hook, line and sinker

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    Let me ask you a question, who would know more about how you would identify your own race. You, or some yahoo on a message board?

    Depends, do I or the yahoo know the difference between race and ethnicity?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy