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Libs, are you upset your taxes bought CO killer's guns?

  • http://www.startribune.com/nation/163276716.html?refer=y
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-shooting-suspect-federal-grant-16829624#.UA3Zho7XF6M

    He received approx. $26,000 in federal grants that he used to buy his instruments of death on Barry's watch. Too bad liberal policies allow for this type of tragedy to occur. If we cut these grants, then crazies like this guy wouldn't be able to buy expensive guns to kill the innocent.

    This post was edited by MSUx2 on 7/23/2012 at 6:13 PM

    MSUx2 ●

  • MSUx2 said...

    http://www.startribune.com/nation/163276716.html?refer=y http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-shooting-suspect-federal-grant-16829624#.UA3Zho7XF6M

    He received approx. $26,000 in federal grants that he used to buy his instruments of death on Barry's watch. Too bad liberal policies allow for this type of tragedy to occur. If we cut these grants, then crazies like this guy wouldn't be able to buy expensive guns to kill the innocent.

    I guess paying taxes for things that you don't want to isn't always fun, huh?

    Compound 2

  • Some of my tax money went to buy guns? I can't believe such a thing could ever happen...

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    Pervis Muldoon ●

  • MSUx2 said...

    http://www.startribune.com/nation/163276716.html?refer=y http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-shooting-suspect-federal-grant-16829624#.UA3Zho7XF6M

    He received approx. $26,000 in federal grants that he used to buy his instruments of death on Barry's watch. Too bad liberal policies allow for this type of tragedy to occur. If we cut these grants, then crazies like this guy wouldn't be able to buy expensive guns to kill the innocent.

    This is just plain ignorance. He did not directly receive a grant for $26,000. The university received a grant to support PhD students. It is called a training grant. It pays the salary of a certain number of students to work in research labs. In other words, $26,000 is his annual salary. Training grants typically also cover some additional expenses such as books, travel to conferences, etc. but those funds are only released for those specific items.

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • Green Genes said...

    This is just plain ignorance. He did not directly receive a grant for $26,000. The university received a grant to support PhD students. It is called a training grant. It pays the salary of a certain number of students to work in research labs. In other words, $26,000 is his annual salary. Training grants typically also cover some additional expenses such as books, travel to conferences, etc. but those funds are only released for those specific items.

    don't inject facts into MSUxFishHead's pathetic arguments to destroy them. Besides, he's too busy lying on a beach buying a house, founding a business, buying a sports team or whatever fantasy he's having this week.

    Also, the grants go to the university for positions and with those positions they select the individuals to fill them as those positions are funded for the university.

    "If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais

    Enrico Palazzo

  • Enrico Palazzo said...

    don't inject facts into MSUxFishHead's pathetic arguments to destroy them. Besides, he's too busy lying on a beach buying a house, founding a business, buying a sports team or whatever fantasy he's having this week.

    Also, the grants go to the university for positions and with those positions they select the individuals to fill them as those positions are funded for the university.

    Sorry. Silly me. I don't know why I'm always surprised how little the general public understands about how federal grants work but you would expect the media to know better ... errrr, OK, nevermind.

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • Green Genes said...

    This is just plain ignorance. He did not directly receive a grant for $26,000. The university received a grant to support PhD students. It is called a training grant. It pays the salary of a certain number of students to work in research labs. In other words, $26,000 is his annual salary. Training grants typically also cover some additional expenses such as books, travel to conferences, etc. but those funds are only released for those specific items.

    So this money didn't come from the government?

    MasonDelhiGuy

  • MasonDelhiGuy said...

    So this money didn't come from the government?

    Did I say it didn't? I am just clarifying that he was paid a salary similar to any other job. The source of his salary is irrelevant to the discussion. What he chose to do with that salary is the tragedy.

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • Green Genes said...

    Did I say it didn't? I am just clarifying that he was paid a salary similar to any other job. The source of his salary is irrelevant to the discussion. What he chose to do with that salary is the tragedy.

    Right, the whole reason I posted that is because people were wondering how he got the money to buy the guns. Some conspiracy theories are popping up and those theorists keep asking where he got the money. They are trying to imply that this was a staged event. Basically they are fucking crazy.

    ZCavaricci21757

  • Z.Cavaricci said...

    Right, the whole reason I posted that is because people were wondering how he got the money to buy the guns. Some conspiracy theories are popping up and those theorists keep asking where he got the money. They are trying to imply that this was a staged event. Basically they are fucking crazy.

    Yes. The implication of the OP is that our beloved tax dollars are being misused because a lunatic happened to be paid from a training grant. Since he bought his arsenal online he most likely used a credit card. Do we blame Visa?

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • can't control the way people spend but we should make buying weapons and over 300 rounds of ammo over the internet much more arduous.

    This post was edited by GRR Spartan on 7/24/2012 at 6:50 AM

    GRR Spartan ●

  • Green Genes said...

    Did I say it didn't? I am just clarifying that he was paid a salary similar to any other job. The source of his salary is irrelevant to the discussion. What he chose to do with that salary is the tragedy.

    Obviously the problem is the government did not dictate to him what he can and can not spend money on. We simply need Obama to tell us what we can buy.

    Compound 2

  • I am trying to point out the metaphor in play between the ease of purchasing the guns and the ease of acquiring the money. Now you tell me which is to blame for the deaths of innocents? Was it the money or was it the guns?

    It was the man who pulled the trigger.

    MasonDelhiGuy

  • Green Genes said...

    This is just plain ignorance. He did not directly receive a grant for $26,000. The university received a grant to support PhD students. It is called a training grant. It pays the salary of a certain number of students to work in research labs. In other words, $26,000 is his annual salary. Training grants typically also cover some additional expenses such as books, travel to conferences, etc. but those funds are only released for those specific items.

    He's being facetious to make a point regarding liability resting on the shooter alone.

    Or he's being very asinine. Take your pick

    This post was edited by Foxbat on 7/24/2012 at 8:12 AM

    Foxbat ●

  • MasonDelhiGuy said...

    I am trying to point out the metaphor in play between the ease of purchasing the guns and the ease of acquiring the money. Now you tell me which is to blame for the deaths of innocents? Was it the money or was it the guns?

    It was the man who pulled the trigger.

    Yes, and who is saying otherwise other than kooks on either side?

    MSchott

  • MasonDelhiGuy said...

    I am trying to point out the metaphor in play between the ease of purchasing the guns and the ease of acquiring the money. Now you tell me which is to blame for the deaths of innocents? Was it the money or was it the guns?

    It was the man who pulled the trigger.

    I blame the roads the government built to allow people access to the place where the guns were built.

    Spartan Al

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    I'm glad to hear that you aren't interested in politicizing the tragedy.. you're one of the more reasonable dudes here, for sure..

    however, I am not at all surprised that suddenly republicans attempt to shift blame from the shooter to the evil government (headed by the black man with a suspicious-sounding name)... it's what they do.

    yep - the of personal responsibility and "the government does nothing" is now trying to claim this guy had no responsibility and it was the government who made him do it.

    I wonder if they're setting Holmes up for a speaking slot at the GOP Convention next month as much as they're going out of their way to shift blame from him. Maybe he'll come on right after George Zimmerman?

    "If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais

    Enrico Palazzo

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    I'm glad to hear that you aren't interested in politicizing the tragedy.. you're one of the more reasonable dudes here, for sure..

    however, I am not at all surprised that suddenly republicans attempt to shift blame from the shooter to the evil government (headed by the black man with a suspicious-sounding name)... it's what they do.

    You called it in your "how will (R's) spin the tragedy" thread.

    OP is more than a little twisted. .

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • Enrico Palazzo said...

    yep - the of personal responsibility and "the government does nothing" is now trying to claim this guy had no responsibility and it was the government who made him do it.

    I wonder if they're setting Holmes up for a speaking slot at the GOP Convention next month as much as they're going out of their way to shift blame from him. Maybe he'll come on right after George Zimmerman?

    Is Tim Tebow going to be the bouncer keeping the Catholics out?

    Foxbat ●

  • Foxbat said...

    Is Tim Tebow going to be the bouncer keeping the Catholics out?

    looks like someone has three screen names. Very impressive! thumbsup

    "If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais

    Enrico Palazzo

  • Foxbat said...

    He's being facetious to make a point regarding liability resting on the shooter alone.

    Or he's being very asinine. Take your pick

    Based on other comments I am leaning toward the latter.

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • MasonDelhiGuy said...

    I am trying to point out the metaphor in play between the ease of purchasing the guns and the ease of acquiring the money. Now you tell me which is to blame for the deaths of innocents? Was it the money or was it the guns?

    It was the man who pulled the trigger.

    This is where I have problems with the premise of the OP's argument. He didn't "acquire" the money any more than other employees "acquire" their paycheck. He didn't get a grant and use the grant to buy his arsenal. He had a job.

    Research is what I am doing when I don’t know what I am doing - Werner von Braun

    Green Genes

  • Bob Sakimano said...

    suddenly republicans become the party of denying personal responsibility and begin blaming others for the ills of society..

    lol

    Sorry, didn't mean to take the banner from you.

    Compound 2

  • MSUx2 said...

    http://www.startribune.com/nation/163276716.html?refer=y http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-shooting-suspect-federal-grant-16829624#.UA3Zho7XF6M

    He received approx. $26,000 in federal grants that he used to buy his instruments of death on Barry's watch. Too bad liberal policies allow for this type of tragedy to occur. If we cut these grants, then crazies like this guy wouldn't be able to buy expensive guns to kill the innocent.

    Those guns and ammo stores were also built by the government.flex

    Green Note

  • Green Genes said...

    This is where I have problems with the premise of the OP's argument. He didn't "acquire" the money any more than other employees "acquire" their paycheck. He didn't get a grant and use the grant to buy his arsenal. He had a job.

    Some easily say "If there were no guns, no one gets hurt."

    Why won't anyone say "If there was no grant, no purchase of guns and death devices could be made."?

    I was not making any point whatsoever other than that. There are no other points to be made here. No matter how much spin you want to put on this tragedy, it could not have been prevented due to gun laws or government spending.

    That is all. Hug someone you love or someone you hate today and stay frosty.

    MasonDelhiGuy

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