Wells Hall Off Topic Board

Certainly hope so. Its unfortunate that SCOTUS has to be the one to be counted on to overturn this mess. You would think that congress would have realized that its not a feasible and unconstitutional program a long, long time ago.

Costs less?

5% of U.S. patients account for 50% of health care costs. If you were to eliminate these 5% ObamaCare would save taxpayers lots and lots of money.

So you are in favor of spending Billions to allow people to die at exactly the same time they otherwise will die because it is MediCare money? I don't get it...why spend money when it makes no difference to when they die?

Exactly what cause would SCOTUS be advocating?? Upholding the constitution perhaps? That's the cause SCOTUS is supposed to be enforcing The govt can't force you to buy a product..when its your right to make that decision...its a pretty simple. No activism in that...You should look up the word activist before you comment. Here is the defination for you. "an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, especially a political cause."...

Just for you and only you.

So you are married to a doctor some days here.

Tell me what you do. Your parent is termnal. 75 plus Do you demand they hospital keeps them in a state of the art ICU room with all the bells and whistles getting $800-$1200 per test blood gasses run every 4 to 6 hours or do you opt to medicate so they are comfortable, move them to a less expensive room that doesn't have all the wangobango machines , keep them on O2, IV drugs for pain and a BP/pulse rate monitor or even take them home with Hospice at the ready?

Its dopes like Fishy that drive up the cost of care because they don't have the good sense to believe doctors, refuse hospice and insist on life saving procedures no matter what. Then the same dopes show up here talking about death panels.

What do you do with a closed head injury hit and run victim that's only being kept alive with machines and no brain activity for 18-24 hours but the family refuses to discuss stopping thr heart lung machines that are the only things between declaring and keeping them alive?

These aren't death panels. You can't grasp how technology can keep one alive in name only, cost $1000's per day and the patient survivors don't care because someone else is picking up the bill.

From the first page of the report:

"CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period (see Table 1, following the text).3 The net costs reflect:"

Well...

1 - If there is no chance that treatment will extend a life then there is no reason for the treatment at everyone's expense. If a private person wants to spend their money to do so have at it.

2 - If there is no chance that treatment will result in a person who is awake (aka indefinate coma) then there is no reason to extend life support at everyone's expense. Same comment on privite spending.

3 - If the treatment has been shown to not be effective there is no reason to perform it.

Your hyperventallting is just a waste of your and everone else's on this boards time. It is not what the treatment review panels are about anf you know that. You are just being stupid.

Perhaps the words "already did this" mean nothing to you but I already have allowed someone to die rather than extend their live a usless period of time...so I don't have a problem with this concept in the least...neither in many states does your private insurance company which will turn off the money when a lifetime limit is reached...you would rather place that power in the hands of a profit driven company rather than a board which determines using science which treatments might actually work and which are a waste of time and money...you actually want your medical costs to go up to pay of other people useless treatments...why?

You are clueless about vehicle development times and about GM product planning. The Volt was under development for a while before the 2008 election...Obama had little to do with it...not sure how GM projected sales but yes clearly a miss at the moment...of course the constant negative campaign by the right wing media is not helping one bit...

I would get fired for not thinking the same way everyone else does? Wow. You guys sound really open minded to new ideas.

You might be fired for stupidity...but usually people are fired for poor job perfromance...and lately things have been cut so much there are no poor job performers...

The posters point is that you seem to be unaware of the facts...what facts I don't know because this has become a DSF and I'm not that interested....

Alexander Hamilton?