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Why Republicans Oppose the Individual Health-Care Mandate : The New Yorker
The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support...
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Johnny2x2x said...
When are the Democrats going to learn? Every single time they and Obama have tried to offer the olive branch and compromise on any piece of legislation with the Republicans it has come back to bite them. The Republicans are not interested in compromise or progress, therefore if you give them a Health Care bill that was basically 80% Republican ideas it doesn't matter to them, you could have let Newt Gingrich write 100% of the legislation, they were still going to throw a fit. It's War for them and there can be no peace for them until they have total victory. What does total victory look like for Republicans? Not exactly sure, but Feudalism isn't that far off in my opinion.
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TrapperGus said...
Interesting perhaps however not realy the point of the article, it was just used as an example. They could have just as easily used the Democrats who wanted either true national health care like the VA system or a single payer system and then who turned against those beliefs and fought for ObamaCare...
The point is that people who think they are behaving in a rational manner and who really believe they have not changed their beliefs are fewer that might be expected...most people appear to "follow the herd" of those they wish to assocate with and either completely filter out the facts to see only the facts that support what the feel is right or do understand that their positions are not supported by the facts but have a value system where they are more concerned about being part of the group than being factualy correct.
We probably see examples of it on Wells all the time....right now there are several threads on ObamaCare in which posters are citing and linking articles which are presenting facts which appear to be supporting certian feelings but which however appear to not be particularly comprehensive in the facts that are being presented which tends (to some people) to raise the question regarding the accuracy of the conclusions being drawn by these articles...however to those who are looking for articles to support thier feelings about ObamaCare these are the facts and there are no other facts...a filtiering of information which the poster may or may not be aware they are executing...
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Johnny2x2x said...
That's the thing though, Obamacare in its entirety is a Republican idea. Citizens aside, the Democratic leadership saw a Republican idea, thought it sounded pretty good and made it their own, they did exactly the opposite of partisanship. At least in this case, one side was able to look at the other side's idea and say, you know what, you guys are right, it's a good idea, and thus Obamacare was born. While the other side seemed to say, "Oh hell no! I don't care if it's an idea I supported and even came up with, I'm against it because you're for it." The mistake that Democrats made was thinking that Republicans would embrace their own idea. The very fact that Democrats were able to do this is an example that goes against the article IMO. Hell, Obama and company even sold the damn thing as a Republican idea the whole way too.
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Johnny2x2x said...
When are the Democrats going to learn? Every single time they and Obama have tried to offer the olive branch and compromise on any piece of legislation with the Republicans it has come back to bite them. The Republicans are not interested in compromise or progress, therefore if you give them a Health Care bill that was basically 80% Republican ideas it doesn't matter to them, you could have let Newt Gingrich write 100% of the legislation, they were still going to throw a fit. It's War for them and there can be no peace for them until they have total victory. What does total victory look like for Republicans? Not exactly sure, but Feudalism isn't that far off in my opinion.
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Johnny2x2x said...
That's the thing though, Obamacare in its entirety is a Republican idea. Citizens aside, the Democratic leadership saw a Republican idea, thought it sounded pretty good and made it their own, they did exactly the opposite of partisanship. At least in this case, one side was able to look at the other side's idea and say, you know what, you guys are right, it's a good idea, and thus Obamacare was born. While the other side seemed to say, "Oh hell no! I don't care if it's an idea I supported and even came up with, I'm against it because you're for it." The mistake that Democrats made was thinking that Republicans would embrace their own idea. The very fact that Democrats were able to do this is an example that goes against the article IMO. Hell, Obama and company even sold the damn thing as a Republican idea the whole way too.
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ming said...
I've mentioned this before but the problem is that that the Republican party is going through a civil war. Every GOP politician is facing primary battles with Tea Party challengers who are forcing the conversation far to the right. Part of me was hoping that they would nominate their dream candidate, an extremely far right politician, for President and once soundly defeated the implosion and rebuilding could begin, but now with Romney as the candidate we may have to wait another election cycle.
Things will get worse before they get better, especially if Romney loses.
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TrapperGus said...
Nope...actually about how people form systems of belief and theb filter the information they hear using this belief system...anyone who receives all their information from sources on one side of a political divide is likely to not be able to see the truth due to the framework in their head.
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Nope...actually about how people form systems of belief and theb filter the information they hear using this belief system...anyone who receives all their information from sources on one side of a political divide is likely to not be able to see the truth due to the framework in their head.
Kinda like someone who eats up anything Paul Krugman says?
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Cosmo_Kramer said...
Oh, so it's a Captain Obvious thread?
lol, why do you think this country is going to shit politically and economically? Because Republicans love their Fox News, democrats love their MSNBC and people worship their parties like they are god-like people. It's not that hard to form an opinion, or so I thought. Then I looked around and realized people are stupid.
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