Wells Hall Off Topic Board

Just a little pixie dust and some help from Santa.

I don't think any medical plan can cure greggyboy's crainial rectosis

I'm curious...what is the way to provide health care to "poor" people?

Oh no no no! Government is the answer to all of life's problems. Get with the program!

Do you honestly believe that Obamacare could ever achieve that end?

Health Care as it is currently configured is a Ponzi scheme and was nearing its end as an employer provided benefit. It was heading the way of the pension at the same time that costs were raising out of control. Try purchasing health care if it was something they really wanted to sell privately, would you expect to see commercials for it before 2am. They don't want to sell it, they want to bill for it and supply it to health working age people to busy to actually use it. Hospital and health system simply buy each other and extract debt for expansion to keep the systems afloat. The "free market" has done nothing to control costs because like oil health care is a "Cartel". It is simply a house of cards filled with $10 tylenol and graft.

There are certainly some issues of the healthcare bill that are beneficial, and it would be nice to have some kind of prescription drug plan where the government buys in bulk. However, I don't believe this program should be administered on a federal level. It should definitely be done by the states, just so it can't be botched like many other well-meaning federal government programs.

Smart guys like you would rather have your employer pay higher premiums to cover the uninsured that fill up hospital ER's and get hospitalized for conditions that would have been controlled with regular visits to doctors.

No one will ever convince you knuckleheads that the US doesn't have the best healthcare for everyone and that treating everyone ends up costing less because there are fewer freeloaders.

Just don't come crying when your employer decides to cut back while you are undergoing cancer treatments and you get denied coverge since the private insurers goal is to push off the sickest into Medicare or Medicaid.

the plan is for everyone to be covered.

so your bwana, your glorious employer is calling the shots just like before. what say so do you have in your current coverage? most likely a limiited number that your employer decides you can make.

if you think limiting the amount of premiums spent on things oher than medical claims is a great thing then you are one of the knuckleheads who cheers when your critically ill co-worker is lead through a paper chase while IBM, Herman Miller, advertising buyers and the personal investment managers for CEO and CFO are scrambling around with all the millions above the 18% of premiums being spent going to them.

All you dopey conservatives just don't want to face up to the fact the individual mandate was Nixon's idea supported by Reagan, Gingrich and even Romney. Suddenly you want to have the freeloader's backs because the wrong party got it passed. More people are covered and more people pay including the freeloader's in MI and WI who have been sliding along paying nothing for decades.

There are two simple reasons for this:
(a) the government subsidizes employer provided healthcare coverage by making its cost tax deductible to the employer
(b) employers further subsidizes healthcare by paying a large percentage of its actual cost.

the combination of both causes such a price advantage that there is very little competition for health care insurance plans.

as someone that lived under one for many years, oh noooes indeed. glad we agreeeeessss

And still is living under one and has ever since he moved to the US...are you really just a British spy planning to take the US back under the Queen's control?