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What Voter ID Laws Are Really About

  • Is this a step to loyalty oaths?

    GRR Spartan

  • Pervis Muldoon said...

    So is the right to vote.

    Earlier, you said, "I don't expect people with a limited understanding of the Constitution to support my viewpoint." Does that mean you don't expect yourself to support your viewpoint?

    Did I say I want to give up my right to vote? Does your attention span afford you the ability to read entire posts or do you see a few words and then speculate as to what the rest of the statement will read?

    Do non-citizens have the right to vote? No

    Do the states have the responsibility of ensuring only citizens of the United States are allowed to vote? Yes

    Does purging the rolls of non-citizens help ensure only those afforded the right to vote will vote? Yes

    Do you support the 2nd right amendment that allows every citizen the right to bear arms? No

    Do you pretend that you support every right afforded citizens in the United States Constitution? Yes

    any other questions?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by fallenangle on 6/27/2012 at 10:42 PM

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    Did I say I want to give up my right to vote? Does your attention span afford you the ability to read entire posts or do you see a few words and then speculate as to what the rest of the statement will read?

    Do non-citizens have the right to vote? No

    Do the states have the responsibility of ensuring only citizens of the United States are allowed to vote? Yes

    Does purging the rolls of non-citizens help ensure only those afforded the right to vote will vote? Yes

    Do you support the 2nd right amendment that allows every citizen the right to bear arms? No

    Do you pretend that you support every right afforded citizens in the United States Constitution? Yes

    any other questions?

    You're a great Republican.

    Pervis Muldoon

  • lars said...

    So you're ok with the guy making the fake IDs so long as no or few kids can get caught buying liquor with those IDs. That is essentially what you are saying with the illegal voter registration of thousands of people not legal to vote. Tell me how would you catch those people illegally voting once they are registered..especially if there is NO ID required to actually vote?

    I'm asking you to prove to me that there actually is a problem that is in need of a remedy. It's un-conservative to want to create even more laws and legislation based purely on speculation. Isn't it?

    ming

  • ming said...

    I'm asking you to prove to me that there actually is a problem that is in need of a remedy. It's un-conservative to want to create even more laws and legislation based purely on speculation. Isn't it?

    Not to mention spending more tax moey. Issues like this really help identify the party-line Republicans among the self-described "conservatives" on this board.

    Pervis Muldoon

  • ming said...

    I'm asking you to prove to me that there actually is a problem that is in need of a remedy. It's un-conservative to want to create even more laws and legislation based purely on speculation. Isn't it?

    Again, did you miss ACORN. I think you did. Plus..several other posters have put up examples. I think you are ignoring the obvious.

    lars

  • lars said...

    Again, did you miss ACORN. I think you did. Plus..several other posters have put up examples. I think you are ignoring the obvious.

    How many times are you going to complain about ACORN without telling us about any fraudulent votes caused by that organization - which doesn't even exist anymore.

    Pervis Muldoon

  • fallenangle said...

    Did I say I want to give up my right to vote? Does your attention span afford you the ability to read entire posts or do you see a few words and then speculate as to what the rest of the statement will read?

    Do non-citizens have the right to vote? No

    Do the states have the responsibility of ensuring only citizens of the United States are allowed to vote? Yes

    Does purging the rolls of non-citizens help ensure only those afforded the right to vote will vote? Yes

    Do you support the 2nd right amendment that allows every citizen the right to bear arms? No

    Do you pretend that you support every right afforded citizens in the United States Constitution? Yes

    any other questions?

    Man, you're relentless in your convictions, but incredibly obtuse in your actual real-world beliefs. Don't worry, it's the "I'm a Ron Paul Libertarian" syndrome. You'll grow up some day. thumbsup

    The truth is, and let me say this LOUD AND FUCKING CLEAR FOR BOTH SIDES TO HEAR: voter fraud has not been prevalent in this nation for 50+ years.

    Can you point out an example where it has been? Sure. I can also point out an example of where someone ate someone else's face on a public street in Florida.

    Who gives a shit?

    The reality is that voter suppression is far more harmful than allowing anyone illegal or not properly registered to vote. It's like 99% of you assholes read your respective blogs or journals and run here to spout of the latest D or R talking points.

    Quite frankly, the GOP is far more involved in voter suppression, because they know the people they're suppressing are 99% likely to vote D. It's why they took down ACORN. Those of you who know me from the previous board know that I worked closely with ACORN for YEARS (as an entrepreneur and fiscal conservative), and they were the most level-headed and honest people around. They really cared about the people they were trying to help, and a lot of good people who busted their asses for decades lost their jobs and everything else because some scumbag trying to earn a gold star from the GOP fucked them up the ass. The Brietbart hit-piece ruined them, and I can honestly say I'm not sorry that the loud-mouthed, dishonest drunk had a fucking massive coronary in his 40s. Couldn't have happened to a more smug and self entitled piece of shit.

    This is the stupidest issue ever. We have databases for everything. As an IT guy, this problem should've been solved ages ago. Cross-reference the data and move on.

    You all sound like a bunch of petulant children arguing over whose turn it is to use the Barbi Jeeep in the back yard.

    Bunch of fucking amateurs. Grow up and learn something.

    This post was edited by caspper69 on 6/28/2012 at 9:26 PM

    caspper69

  • "How is it that liberal Democrats will go to their grave swearing that there has never, ever, not since the advent of voting, been a single recorded incident of voter fraud? Like flying elephants, the possibility doesn’t exist, don’t you know.

    who can forget how Dino Rossi lost the governorship of Oregon in 2008 after having won it because of phantom votes which just happened to appear in Portland during a recount, and ditto how our dignified senator from Minnesota, Al Franken, stole the election from Norm Coleman when phantom votes were discovered in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, both heavily Democratic strongholds."

    Daily Local News - Ther are numerous examples of voter fraud

    How is it that liberal Democrats will go to their grave swearing that there has never, ever, not since the advent of voting, been a single recorded incident of voter fraud? Like flying elephants, the possibility doesn�t exist, don�t you know.

    www.dailylocal.com

    fallenangle

  • fallenangle said...

    "How is it that liberal Democrats will go to their grave swearing that there has never, ever, not since the advent of voting, been a single recorded incident of voter fraud? Like flying elephants, the possibility doesn’t exist, don’t you know.

    who can forget how Dino Rossi lost the governorship of Oregon in 2008 after having won it because of phantom votes which just happened to appear in Portland during a recount, and ditto how our dignified senator from Minnesota, Al Franken, stole the election from Norm Coleman when phantom votes were discovered in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, both heavily Democratic strongholds."

    Hey man, I don't disagree. But ask yourself this: in a day and age where we have technology to actually fix this shit, why is it not being fixed?

    Every time the left raises and issue about Diebold, why do the R's do a duck and cover move?

    Why when the right does a voter purge does the left do the same?

    Well, you don't know me, but you probably know what I'm going to say.

    Tackle it early, raise flags on potentially fraudulent voters, keep an electronic log of who has voted and who hasn't, and cross reference the voter rolls with death certificate issuances.

    Problem fucking solved.

    Next?

    caspper69