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Why do Libs hate Mormons?

  • John Dewey said...

    I'm Mormon. Currently it is an accurate statement to say that most Mormons are conservatives. Historically, prominent members of the church have been both Democrat and Republicans. But a shift occurred from about the 70s or 80s onward with Mormons becoming more affiliated with the right. I think this was largely due to social/moral issues such as abortion and prayer in schools (with abortion being the real big one). Then (and this is just my opinion) once Mormons identified with the right as more "moral" they began to identify with the small government ideology and view this a more moral too (based on such moral principles as agency and accountability). Now many are very committed to the right. But it would be wrong to say that all Mormons are conservatives. There is still quite a bit of diversity. I am more liberal on most issues, because personally, I view liberal positions on such things as the economy, education, and the environment to be more moral. I'm still more right-leaning on some issues (e.g., I'm more for civil unions than gay marriage; I have no problem restricting things like porn and weed; I'm pro-life), but most issues I'm probably on the left. And I should clarify that I am a practicing Mormon (currently serving in a bishopric), so I'm not a non-representative Mormon.

    As for who hates us the most...it's all good compared to what it used to be. smile_msu During the years in which the church was established, mobs were always killing Mormons, driving them from their homes, tar and feathering the leaders, and so on. It was actually legal to kill Mormons in Missouri. Now it's much better. Non-religious liberals like to make fun of us (see Jim, Cym). Evangelical Christians like to call us a cult. Most people just think we're a bit strange. But, overall, people treat us very well. I'm at a university and I've never had a colleague who was not been supportive of my religion and religious practices. I've also never had an evangelical friend who has not been supportive.

    Hope that help.

    I have a question and forgive me if this sounds ignorant as I have only known a few Mormons in my life so I am far from the expert. I've learned that the Mormon faith teaches one that it is a good thing to be prepared. That's why so many of the "prepper" companies are based out of Utah. In your opinion, let's assume for argument sake that a particular Mormon person is religious (i.e. a practicing Mormon)......are they likely to "prepare" regardless of whether they are on the right or the left or is this mostly practiced by only Mormons on the right. Are there many Mormons on the left who stockpile a year of food and stuff?

    This post was edited by Compound 2 on 5/21/2012 at 12:27 PM

    Compound 2

  • What the hell is OP talking about?

    WaPo Attacks Romney for 'Mormon Militia' Action 150 Years Ago | The Weekly Standard

    Read conservative news, blogs and opinion about 2012 Elections, bias, Mitt Romney, Mormon, Religion and Washington Post from The Weekly Standard, the must read magazine available in online edition.

    www.weeklystandard.com

    Compound 2

  • Compound 2 said...

    What the hell is OP talking about?

    What does your post have to do with OP's?

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    What does your post have to do with OP's?

    I'll give you a hint....

    Washington Post = liberal media

    Let me know if you need me to hold your hand through anything else

    Compound 2

  • Compound 2 said...

    I'll give you a hint....

    Washington Post = liberal media

    Let me know if you need me to hold your hand through anything else

    The post reported some news. How is that an "attack" as your conservative blogger claims?

    Are you claiming they fabricated the events? Of course you aren't. you don't have a leg to stand on. This is weak, even by your standards.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • spartanMF said...

    How so?

    Because they really are out to overthrow the democratic republic form of our government and install a corporate oligarchy system.

    Madhatter536

  • I thought Harry Reid is Mormon...?

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • Cosmo_Kramer said...

    I thought Harry Reid is Mormon...?

    You thought correctly

    GRR Spartan

  • Compound 2 said...

    I have a question and forgive me if this sounds ignorant as I have only known a few Mormons in my life so I am far from the expert. I've learned that the Mormon faith teaches one that it is a good thing to be prepared. That's why so many of the "prepper" companies are based out of Utah. In your opinion, let's assume for argument sake that a particular Mormon person is religious (i.e. a practicing Mormon)......are they likely to "prepare" regardless of whether they are on the right or the left or is this mostly practiced by only Mormons on the right. Are there many Mormons on the left who stockpile a year of food and stuff?

    Yes. Being prepared is an important value. Many church leaders have taught that we should have a years supply of food and finances and most practicing members (right or left) at least make an effort to do so. Self-reliance in general is emphasized a lot as well as staying out debt. I can see how these things play into a more conservative agenda. But caring for the poor and the evils of materialism are emphasized a lot too. However, these values don't play into the liberal agenda as much I think because many Mormons have already identified with the right and thus see government generally as an ineffective and corrupt system.

    Mormons do donate very generously to the church's welfare system and this system works very well. A tremendous amount of money goes to caring for the poor and afflicted and it is done in a way that individuals are taught and mentored in principles of self-reliance. However, I admit sometimes trying to teach self-reliance is like banging your head against the wall. Nevertheless, I would say most Mormons believe strongly in the church's welfare system but now have great mistrust of government. From my perspective, some of the mistrust is justified but I also see how much of a positive effect many government programs and services provide and I know limited the reach of the church (and individuals) is.

    John Dewey

  • Vlad-t-Impaler said...

    Lock it!

    Sorry CV. Better luck next fishing trip.

    Ever hear of "lesser of two evils"? Google it.

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    I actually thought that with CV we would have another decent conservative poster on the board. My mistake.

    stir

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • John Dewey said...

    Yes. Being prepared is an important value. Many church leaders have taught that we should have a years supply of food and finances and most practicing members (right or left) at least make an effort to do so. Self-reliance in general is emphasized a lot as well as staying out debt. I can see how these things play into a more conservative agenda. But caring for the poor and the evils of materialism are emphasized a lot too. However, these values don't play into the liberal agenda as much I think because many Mormons have already identified with the right and thus see government generally as an ineffective and corrupt system.

    Mormons do donate very generously to the church's welfare system and this system works very well. A tremendous amount of money goes to caring for the poor and afflicted and it is done in a way that individuals are taught and mentored in principles of self-reliance. However, I admit sometimes trying to teach self-reliance is like banging your head against the wall. Nevertheless, I would say most Mormons believe strongly in the church's welfare system but now have great mistrust of government. From my perspective, some of the mistrust is justified but I also see how much of a positive effect many government programs and services provide and I know limited the reach of the church (and individuals) is.

    I knew several Mormons in Tucson. One I work with now lives in Fort Worth. From what they told me about the Mormon church I have no major objections to the official church positions.

    Isn't it just one of the established mainstream denominations now? Don't they provide charity to all even to those that aren't Mormon? I know Glen Beck is a Mormon. What do you think of him? A bit of a doom and gloomer. Is he outside the Mormon mainstream? Last week he said that a lot the Mormons in the early days had multiple wives because so many of the men had been killed. Is that true?

    I didn't know much about Mormonism before I met these folks but I was never afraid of them. I always thought it was presumptious to tell another man who means me no harm how to worship his God. I leave such matters to the almighty.

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    Isn't it just one of the established mainstream denominations now? Don't they provide charity to all even to those that aren't Mormon? I know Glen Beck is a Mormon. What do you think of him? A bit of a doom and gloomer. Is he outside the Mormon mainstream? Last week he said that a lot the Mormons in the early days had multiple wives because so many of the men had been killed. Is that true?

    Mainstream? - Maybe, maybe not. A lot of people consider Mormonism outside the mainstream because of a belief in modern prophets, modern revelation, and additional scripture beyond the Bible (e.g., Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants). Most denominations believe that prophets, direct revelation, and scripture all ended with the death of the last of Christ's apostles. Plus we believe some doctrinal things that others find a bit crazy.

    Charity outside the church? - Yes. A lot of charity is sent to people and organizations all over the world through the church humanitarian fund (and other funding sources).

    What do I think of Glen Beck? - Personally, I think he is a bit crazy. But that's just me. I would say he is outside the mainstream but there are definitely Mormons who identify with his politics and the Tea Party in general. I have fun debating politics with my Tea Party Mormon friends. It's kind of funny, because we have similar values but we have totally different world views about the political implications of those values.

    Polygamy as a result of so many men being killed? Yes and no. It is true that a lot of men were killed and polygamy was a practical system that helped the people survive. But this isn't the full explanation. Brigham Young once said that the reason God commanded some members of the church to practice polygamy was to bring souls to the earth and establish the kingdom of God on earth (I'm paraphrasing). It's important to note that only a very small % of church members practiced polygamy and it was calling, not a choice.

    John Dewey

  • CVSpartan said...

    Ever hear of "lesser of two evils"? Google it.

    But your original post asked why libs "hate" Mitt because of his faith. Your question was so off-base that now you're trying to redirect this into who conservatives will vote for. Well DUH! Of course conservatives will vote for the Repub. What else is new???

    You're full of nonsense CV.

    VladtImpaler20535

  • Appreciate their conviction and have enjoyed/tolerated chats on the porch for years. They are as equally tolerant of me, and I look forward to Mr. Parker paying a visit. :)

    Nimrod

  • Vlad-t-Impaler said...

    But your original post asked why libs "hate" Mitt because of his faith. Your question was so off-base that now you're trying to redirect this into who conservatives will vote for. Well DUH! Of course conservatives will vote for the Repub. What else is new???

    You're full of nonsense CV.

    HMMM. So now we can't bring up a new comment in a thread? If you look closely I responded to what another poster said about evangelicals not liking Mormons.

    Unless there is some rule that every post has to directly relate to the topic of thread I fail to see your point. Such a rule is never enforced to my knowledge.

    Unlike you Libs I learned when I was about 5 that people are never going to agree on a wide range of issues. In fact I consider the majority of you Libs to be hopelessly committed to your dogma. When I write a post I assume that 90% of you clowns are not going to be persuaded by anything I say. That is not my goal.

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • Yo Teach said...

    Maybe at its start, but not anymore. Most of the true libertarians have cut ties since it has been taken over by the anti-intellectual far right of the party. Hell, Bachmann is the most visible member of the movement and she's about as far from libertarian as anyone in the GOP.

    Is that from your MEA talking points? Isn't the MEA just a subsidiary of the Democratic party?

    Συν ται η επι ται! Syn tai e epi tai! Ή ταν ή επί τας! E tan i epi tas!

    CVSpartan

  • CVSpartan said...

    I knew several Mormons in Tucson. One I work with now lives in Fort Worth. From what they told me about the Mormon church I have no major objections to the official church positions.

    Isn't it just one of the established mainstream denominations now? Don't they provide charity to all even to those that aren't Mormon? I know Glen Beck is a Mormon. What do you think of him? A bit of a doom and gloomer. Is he outside the Mormon mainstream? Last week he said that a lot the Mormons in the early days had multiple wives because so many of the men had been killed. Is that true?

    As the self proclaimed biggest Glenn Beck fan on Wells Hall (yes, I just decided this 30 seconds ago) and as someone who still watches his entire show every day, I have never heard him say this. Do you have a link?

    Compound 2

  • CVSpartan said...

    stir

    I'm all for a good stirring of the pot, but try to be a bit more imaginative. You don't want to fall in with the RQAs, compounds and bullwrinkles of the board. thumbsup

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • Compound 2 said...

    As the self proclaimed only Glenn Beck fan on Wells Hall (yes, I just decided this 30 seconds ago) and as someone who still watches his entire show every day, I have never heard him say this. Do you have a link?

    Wiki thinks so. Just a flawed source for you to get started.

    Glenn Beck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

    en.wikipedia.org

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Wiki thinks so. Just a flawed source for you to get started.

    Can you show me the quote? I don't see it in there. And where does it say "last week". tia flotilla boy

    Compound 2

  • Compound 2 said...

    Can you show me the quote? I don't see it in there. And where does it say "last week". tia flotilla boy

    Do your own research for once, fuckface. thumbsup

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • why is compound so scared of Beck being Mormon? what a bigot.

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy

  • R.P. McMurphy said...

    Do your own research for once, fuckface. thumbsup

    So you have no link and are just lying again. You just mindlessly thought that if you link to his wikipedia that nobody would bother reading it. Can you be more of a hack?

    Compound 2

  • Compound 2 said...

    So you have no link and are just lying again. You just mindlessly thought that if you link to his wikipedia that nobody would bother reading it. Can you be more of a hack?

    Well, you're partially right, I didn't expect YOU to read it. lol

    It says right on the page I linked that Beck is Mormon.

    "Religion The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)[5][6][7][8]"
    5 "Look, I'm Mormon, and most Christians don't recognize me as a Christian." — Glenn Beck, on August 29, 2010, in an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. As sourced by the Pew Research Center in this September 2, 2010 article
    6 Steve Rabey (2009-10-08). "Exploring Glenn Beck's beliefs" GetReligion. Retrieved 2009-10-11.
    Goodstein, Laurie (March 11, 2010).
    7 "Christians Urged to Boycott Glenn Beck". The New York Times. "Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck's own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seemed ignorant of just how central social justice teaching was to Mormonism."
    8 Beck, Glenn (March 9, 2011). Is Glenn Beck Mormon?. Glen Beck. "Glenn Beck is also a convert to the Mormon faith, joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1999 along with his wife and children."

    However, it is Wikipedia, so who knows? I was nice enough to provide a research challenged individual like yourself a starting point to find out the truth about your idol. As usual, your low effort thought and lazy nature are getting the best of you.

    More links for you to get confused about.. lol

    This post was edited by RP McMurphy on 5/22/2012 at 10:38 AM

    Glenn Beck Mormon: Is Glenn Beck Mormon?

    http://glennbeckmormon.com/

    glennbeckmormon.com
    Play

    Glenn Beck Interview

    A personal interview with Glenn Beck, tears and all :)

    http://www.youtube.com/v/wKtAPT9KEfM

    I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.

    RP McMurphy